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Stacey has had type 1 diabetes for 44 years and she is delightful.

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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello friends and welcome to episode 929 of the Juicebox Podcast.

On today's show I'll be speaking with Stacey she's 50 years old, but she was diagnosed with type one diabetes when she was just six. We talked about quite a lot in this episode, but the thing that sticks out in my head is that she cracked me up so much Stacy had me laughing the entire time. While you're listening, please remember that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan or becoming bold with insulin. If you want to try ag one from athletic greens, please use my link athletic greens.com forward slash juice box. If you want to save 35% off your entire order at cozy earth.com use the offer code juice box at checkout and you can save 10% off your first month of therapy@betterhelp.com forward slash juice box. Guys, I swear to you this this episode is hilarious. Please Please join me in loving Stacey

this episode of The Juicebox Podcast is sponsored by touched by type one. Check them out at touched by type one.org or find them on Facebook and Instagram. The podcast is also sponsored today by Dexcom Dexcom, makers of the Dexcom G seven ng six continuous glucose monitoring system. Arden has been wearing the Dexcom G seven for over a month now and she loves it so much smaller and easy to use. Way to use si dexcom.com forward slash Juicebox Podcast is also sponsored by Omni pod. They of course make the Omni pod dash and the Omni pod five if you want algorithm, you want the Omni pod five let that thing make some decisions for you with the help of a Dexcom G six or if you just want to go old school and take care of it all by yourself. The Omni pod dash check them out Get Started Omni pod.com forward slash juicebox it rained here for the past three and a half days.

Stacey 2:39
Oh no way after not

Scott Benner 2:41
raining most of the summer. Like my things around my home dying and there's nothing you can do about it because you can't get enough, you know, water to it. And then the hurricane came up the East Coast and just it just it rained and rained and rained and just wouldn't stop. So I'm sure my grass is gonna grow until Christmas now.

Stacey 3:03
Probably Probably our rain Melbourne. One day it's beautiful. The next minute it's raining so we're used to it.

Scott Benner 3:12
I know I'm going to be cutting the lawn until New Year's is how it feels. Now in the mean, the way the weather has shifted since I've been alive, like on the calendar, you know what I mean? Like it just it's just it's crazy. Like I had my wife you know, right before Thanksgiving say to me hey, I think you should cut the lawn. Okay. Anyway, are you wearing headphones?

Stacey 3:39
I am Do you want me to take them off?

Scott Benner 3:41
I don't know. Are they wireless?

Stacey 3:43
No, they're not wireless. I'm old school. I didn't take them off.

Scott Benner 3:47
No, no, they seemed fine. I just wanted to check to see if you were wearing them. Is it a is it a microphone that you can adjust the distance to your mouth or Now

Stacey 3:55
am I too close?

Scott Benner 3:57
I don't know. Part of me thinks you're too far away and part of a part of me thinks it's just the the internet from seriously from Australia to New Jersey so

Stacey 4:08
calm down

Scott Benner 4:12
well I mean yours don't do yours have wires

Stacey 4:15
look well my internet or my headphones

Scott Benner 4:19
here's what I'm trying to say first of all we're recording so you know Stacy, but chances stays in the podcast. I'm saying if you're an island then once this How does the signal leave the island to get to the right like I saw. I don't know how this all works but you can't I mean are there wires that run under the ocean?

Stacey 4:45
Look there must be must

Scott Benner 4:47
see you laughing at me you don't know either. And or is it satellite? Right? I see do you

Stacey 4:57
do I sound okay, now I've got them all Her phone right up to my mouth. Yeah, no, no, it's about this. All right. Let me take it out and you tell me the difference. Okay, so let me take the headset off

now I can't hear you. Are you sure you can't hear me? Oh, now I can get. Can you? Is that better?

Scott Benner 5:25
So it's clear. Okay, cool. So as long as the are you in a room with no carpeting? Or?

Stacey 5:32
Yeah, I mean, you've got floorboards. Yeah, I can

Scott Benner 5:35
hear it. Isn't that crazy? I know when people don't have carpeting.

Stacey 5:38
Oh, come on what I do.

Scott Benner 5:42
I have a person who's recorded about 1000 of these. And I can tell him now. Now this will be fine. So if but you're on a laptop, I imagine.

Stacey 5:50
Yeah, she joined from my phone.

Scott Benner 5:54
That's interesting. I don't hate I don't hate this. As long as you're sort of seated and faced in the same direction, or about the same distance from the laptop the whole time. It's fine with me. And you just have to remember not to like turn your head away and start talking into the corner of the room because your voice will go away like that.

Stacey 6:12
Oh, okay. No, no, no, I've got the laptop leaning on my chest. I've got my backup on three pillows uncomfortable. All right, let's

Scott Benner 6:20
do this, then. I'm also surprised by how many people record this laying in bed. I don't know why. But I'm sitting up at a chair and trying to take this seriously.

Stacey 6:34
I want to say Carrie, we've gotten off to a good start the whole time

Scott Benner 6:39
turning some lights on. So I don't fall asleep. And I was listening the other day a person was like explaining something really intricate. So it was going on for a little while. But if I'm being honest, I kind of knew the explanation already. So I swung around to another computer to look something up that I thought we'd be talking about next. And when I swung my head back for the life of me, I could not remember what she was saying. And then I'm just like, I'm like, oh god, oh, God, oh, God, like she's gonna stop in a second. And I need to talk. I don't remember what she was saying. And I just I don't know what I said, I can't remember anymore. But I must have just pulled it like straight out of my ass because whatever I said she kept going. And I was like, Oh, my God, like, like, caught back up again. But that's what happened when I tried to divert my attention for three seconds. It was in Paris. I couldn't tell her though, because I thought it would just be too terrible to be like, Hey, I'm not listening.

Stacey 7:49
You're boring me.

Scott Benner 7:50
And she wasn't I swear to you, she just she was off on an explanation about something that I already understood about her. And I thought, well, this would be a great time for me to pull up this. This other thing that she's I know she's gonna talk about a second. And yeah, then I my brain is blanked out. Anyway. Introduce yourself, would you?

Stacey 8:11
Oh, sure. So I'm Stacy. I'm 50 years old. I can't believe I had to think about that. I'm from Melbourne, Australia. And I was diagnosed with type one diabetes at the age of six, in a Greek family with um, strict parents who had migrated from Greece to Melbourne, to Adelaide at the time.

Scott Benner 8:31
From Greece. Wow. Okay, so tell me again, how old were you when you're diagnosed?

Stacey 8:37
I was six years old.

Scott Benner 8:39
And you're 50 Now you're Greek, but you live

Stacey 8:44
in Melbourne, Australia.

Scott Benner 8:46
You've been there most of your life, I guess.

Stacey 8:49
Yeah, I was born in Melbourne, and then we moved to Adelaide when I was two years old. And then we move back to Melbourne when I was 10. And I've been living here ever since

Scott Benner 8:58
you have to help me a little bit because my geography is only like pop culture. Adelaide is where

Stacey 9:05
it's a state. Okay, when you're looking at the map of Australia, it's the state to your left immediately from Victoria.

Scott Benner 9:16
So I'm pulling up a map, but I suddenly have suddenly thought to myself, don't forget what you're talking about. The maps go.

Stacey 9:27
South Australia. Okay. Adelaide is out of South Australia. Adelaide. So capital city for South Australia.

Scott Benner 9:33
I have to tell you, the country's broken up. Oddly. It is. I mean, why is there a South Australia and a West Western Australia but the northern isn't called Northern Australia. It's called Northern Territory and there's no East Australia. Like, who did this bunch of criminals.

Stacey 10:00
Did it needs to be like, you know, they need to redo the whole thing again, I think

Scott Benner 10:03
there's not a ton of consistency. I've never looked at this before, like either pick funny names, or go with like direction, right? Why would you do three of the four directions? And then oh, and then there's some Is there a little like British ass kissing over here? Is that what this is? Like a little island? No, no, the naming Victoria South Wales Queensland. Is that British as kissing? Is that what that is?

Stacey 10:30
Um, more than likely probably.

Scott Benner 10:33
Look at you. You're like, I don't care. And then Tasmania, which is a place I thought was from a Bugs Bunny cartoon. I did not realize that was a real place. So

Stacey 10:42
it's a real close. It's a little island off of the strip.

Scott Benner 10:45
We're devils live, right?

Stacey 10:49
Apparently, so. Yes. Have

Scott Benner 10:50
you never been?

Stacey 10:52
No, I have been I never saw a little devil. But um, I did not enjoy Tasmania. We'll just leave it at that.

Scott Benner 11:03
Boy do something to you in Tasmania.

Stacey 11:05
No, I'm, I'm all about the sun and the beach. I don't like cold weather. It's cold there. Yep. Real city.

Scott Benner 11:14
That's interesting. By the way, if anyone wants to Google a Tasmanian devil, it's fantastic. It's a carnivorous marsupial, which, yeah, and in every photo of it, it has its mouth wide open. Like it's going to kill something. But it doesn't look very big. Yeah, correct. I don't know. How did this turn into the thing in the Bugs Bunny cartoon? It was Bugs Bunny. Right. The Tasmanian devil.

Stacey 11:41
Yes. I think it was a look. You're you're testing my memory. Now. You're making me go back. Yeah, I believe it was it was fun. That's funny.

Scott Benner 11:49
Yeah. It definitely was. Alright. Yeah. See, my memory is fine. Okay. Well, that has nothing to do with you. I, I always enjoy doing episodes with people from Australia, New Zealand, because I find that because the time difference. I'm speaking to them late at night. And they're always like, giddy or drunk. So it's perfect. Perfect. I'm

Stacey 12:15
not getting drunk. I'm just really tired. I just can't wait to go to bed. It's like midnight here?

Scott Benner 12:22
Well, I think I'm insulted. What do you mean, I you're not excited to do this?

Stacey 12:27
No, I've been waiting to do this since I think it was my fifth year. And I reached out to you. So I'm pretty excited. And I put three alarms on school, I wouldn't fall asleep.

Scott Benner 12:37
Thank you. I really do appreciate the effort. I'm being sincere. Thank you very much. So you wanted to come on to speak about something specific? Or did you just want to chat?

Stacey 12:47
I'm nothing specific, apart from diabetes like is that? Yeah, I don't even remember why I reached out to you to be honest to come on your show. I think when I first discovered you, which was only about a year ago, late last year, you just had me in hysterics, and I just learned so much from you. Considering you know, I had this disease. I had had this disease for 43 years at the time. And I was just fascinated that I've learned so much. And then every so often when I go for my walk, and I put you on and I listen to you, I just continued to learn and learn and learn. So I guess it doesn't matter how long you've had diabetes, for you'll always be learning something different or something new or something you weren't aware of. So

Scott Benner 13:36
I think that's worth digging into. Because to live that long with something, you would think that there wouldn't be anything to learn. Right? You're right, you would just think like, I'm gonna listen to this guy tell me stuff that I know art is stupid. I've been turning the television on for 50 years can't be a different way to do it. And and so tell me what, like, where were the big changes for you?

Stacey 14:05
So I've been on MDI for I was on MDI for 43 years. So up until November last year, as I said, brought up in a Greek family, it was really hard to not to accept that I had diabetes, diabetes was always in the background for me, so my dad protected me a lot and I couldn't do a lot of things he controlled everything I did. So I didn't like doctors because I had an incident with a doctor once and refuse to go back again. So I just went on my own and did my own thing and basically all I did was inject and watch what I ate and did my blood sugar that was my life and did all the tests my eyes, my feet what have you, but I never dove dive dive dive deep into it any further because it was just yet my parents Brace doesn't work. Here we go, and this is what I have to do. And then here I'm listening to you, and you're talking about being bold with insurance. And I like to do things my way I take my doctor's recommendations, or we work out things together. But I won't allow them to tell me what to do. Because I've had it for so long. And one thing that I'm struggling with being 50, you know, I've always struggled with my hormones during the time of the month, and I would skyrocket, I'd go out of control. So our numbers are different to the way your numbers are with blood sugars. So I would get up to 14 and 18, which is extremely high for me. And I could never manage it. You know, before my time of the month. I don't know what I'm allowed to say on here, because I've heard you say that.

Scott Benner 15:51
I mean, I assume it should be you're from Australia, you should probably be calling it Shark Week. Who wait Shark Week. Is that does that does that not translate? Do you not get Shark Week on Discovery Channel? Every whereas every day Shark Week in Australia

Stacey 16:12
call it Shark Week. We can call it Shark Week. Is this what you want?

Scott Benner 16:17
No, I don't want anything I mean, code read the event. There's a there's an entire like, euphemism.

Stacey 16:25
There is a cheater? Well, you know, I'm not gonna go around the bush. I'm just gonna say it. It's my period.

Scott Benner 16:34
Was that a? Was that upon when you sit around the bush or no?

Stacey 16:41
No, it wasn't actually I just realized what I said. is gonna be great.

Scott Benner 16:48
So a 14 a 14. blood sugar's about 250. So people can kind of get a feeling. Okay. Okay, so. So this is your whole life hormones and knock you out. And okay, so I want to go back for a second, though. You had a bad experience with the doctor? How old were you when that happened? And can you tell me a little bit about why it was a bad experience?

Stacey 17:13
Sure, I would have been maybe 16 at the time. And, or maybe it was, yeah, would have been that 16. Because they here in Australia, they stopped seeing children at the Royal Children's Hospital at the age of 16. They sort of move you on to another hospital, or to a private doctor. So of course, my father and I went to this particular doctor, and he asked me to lie on his on those bids, which was fine. And you know, he put the stethoscope on my chest and he was listening. And then he just decided to look in places that he shouldn't have looked in. And I just went with your dad there. My dad was sitting so he was behind the curtain. He couldn't see what was happening. What the hell? Yeah, exactly. Oh, sorry. That's terrible. Yeah, so I just yelled, my dad got up and really punched him. Because he just knew like, something's happened. And then when we got in the car, I told him what he had done. And I just refused to see another doctor.

Scott Benner 18:23
That's terrible. Did you guys do anything about it? Get him fired?

Stacey 18:28
No, no, we didn't. We didn't do anything. I mean, we just yeah, we, we just let it go. I was just like, you know, it is what it is. I just won't say doctors which could have jeopardized my health. But um, yeah, I just wouldn't see doctors. And then I was sent to him again, about 14 years later. And I didn't realize it was the same doctor. And as I've walked into him, because I've seen you before, and I've just, and the penny dropped. And I went, have you? And he goes, Yeah, we're back here. And, and then it just all came flooding back. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. And I just said to him, I don't remember uni because I don't use it. No, I don't remember you at all, which I did. Yeah. And, yeah, just get the hell out of there as quick as I could and never went back.

Scott Benner 19:15
Well, that sucks. Oh, my gosh, I have a recording coming up. I don't know when it is it's on the calendar with a with a person who is going to tell a story about how they, you know, took them forever to find a doctor that they liked and everything and they finally found one and they had good care with their diabetes. And then the guy got arrested for doing something similar. And he's, and I'm just like, what, like, is everybody crazy? I mean, is it that hard to get through life without being a piece of it can't be right. You know, but I guess it is so. I don't know. I'm always I've been alive as long as you have and it's still a story like that. I guess it shouldn't show argue and yet it is shocking. So that's all right. All right, well, so then this ask puts you on a bad path. And now you're not going to doctors for how long?

Stacey 20:10
I started going back to a doctor at about 3030. I was 3030. Once I was 16 at the time, so yeah, about 12 to 14 years later. And that was only because I, I would assume they were hypose. And the reason I say assume is because I never really experienced a Hypo. Because when I was diagnosed, we didn't even have glucometers I had to run, I had to wait in a potty and measure my blood sugar with strips. So and there were colored strips. So when the glucometers came out, of course, my my parents couldn't afford it. So we didn't buy one. And then we just didn't do anything. Because my father just let me run my life. I mean, I was 18 by the time and he just let me run my life. And I didn't want to do it. To be honest, I just didn't want to do it. So I may have lived, you know, the next 12 to 14 years blindly with my diabetes.

Scott Benner 21:13
So were you did you do the old like you shot your basil and didn't cover food or how did you handle it?

Stacey 21:21
So yeah, it goes back doesn't it? I just injected twice a day, once in the morning and once at night, and it was a mixture of proto fine, I think it was an X rapid or Novo rapid or I don't remember what the first one was. So it was a mixture of two insulins in the syringe because I was using syringes.

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Yeah, you know what threw me off. And you'll please take this as a compliment as it is, is that I'm looking at a photo of you and I don't think of you as being 50 While I'm looking at you in the photo, and so my brain didn't wrap around that you would have been using insulin like that. Yeah, but yeah, so you were just shooting 12 It's the Greek, isn't it? You look so young.

Stacey 26:10
Yeah, okay. Yeah. It's the Greek it's great hormones.

Scott Benner 26:13
By the way, do you see a photo of me right? Yeah, I can see you. Okay. I'm adopted. People told me they thought I was Greek forever. I am not. Do you see it at all? Like, why do you? Yep,

Stacey 26:27
I do see it.

Scott Benner 26:28
It's interesting. I'm not apparently the 23andme says I'm not wrong. But anyway. Okay. So by the way, I'm sorry to get off track here. But it is incredibly delightful to hear an adult say we in a potty for some reason.

Stacey 26:48
Yeah, I do. I do enjoy saying that. Because people don't understand when you say I pissed in a party and they're like you did? Well. It's like a weed. Where else do you say it or urinated? urinated isn't a nice word. So yeah, I weighed in a potty. And I did that for years. Yeah, it didn't stop when I was, you know, because I was diagnosed at six. So it didn't stop when I was seven or eight. I continued that until about, I don't know. 1112. And that's how we That's how my parents measured my blood sugar's my parents did I didn't they took full control. My father, my late father took full control. You will he people would offer me water. When would go visiting? And you'd say no, she's fine. She was the one anything. And I'd look at him going, but I'm thirsty. I put some water like it's water, for God's sake, give you some water. So he really protected me. He was over protective. But I think it's the best thing he could have done for me because I've had it for 44 years. And I'm 50 now. And I don't want to jinx myself or do anything, but I don't have any complications. Scott. And even though those 10 to 12 years, well, we're I wasn't weighing in a potty. You're measuring my blood sugar. I still monitored myself and I was careful. And I did my HB, I always get this wrong. The HB one AC, whatever. It's called My six, three months, six months blood tests with my GP. And I was always on track. I don't think I ever went over seven or eight.

Scott Benner 28:26
It's kind of aggressive. And did you get low much or no?

Stacey 28:30
Well, I started noticing lows when I was around 30. And that's when I went back to my GP who referred me to an endocrinologist. This woman's changed my life. I walked in there and she first thing I said to her is, you're not going to tell me what to do. And she looked at me, she goes, No, you steer your ship. I'm here to work with you. What you do is up to you. But I'll give you advice. And she changed my life. So she took me off the syringes. And I went down to the pins. And I was using Nova rapid and Lantus. I think it was Lantus. Yeah, probably was. Yeah. And because I was exercising, she said, I need you to do it this way. Because I need you to give yourself insulin, you have the monitor more. We're going to give you a glucometer because you train so much. So for me it was a novelty. I'd walk into work and everyone's going on what's your blood sugar today? Where are you Where and watch me and I never used to speak about my diabetes. Like it was taboo as far as I was concerned. I don't want to talk about it. No one could ask me no one could say anything to me. I just didn't want to talk about it when I was younger. So this woman changed my life and I owe everything to her to how far I've come.

Scott Benner 29:56
Isn't it interesting Stacey and you walk in there and you're just like you're not gonna You're telling me what to do. And she she knew exactly how to handle you. She's like, Oh, no, no, of course not. Meanwhile, do you think in her head she was thinking, Oh, it's one of these? Okay.

Stacey 30:10
No, I don't think she did. Because she even said to me, she goes, you're on dinosaur syringes. We have to get you off there and bring you to date. So she, I think she did play with my head in regards to, she used the right words, to make me feel like I was doing all the decisions. Does that make sense? I know,

Scott Benner 30:30
yeah, I'm married. I know, I know how to do that. She's, you know exactly what you're talking about.

Stacey 30:42
So she really changed my life. And that's where I started noticing what a Hypo was more about, I probably did have hypose, but didn't recognize them as much when I was younger. So yeah, she changed my life. And then she decided to go to New South Wales, so to Sydney, which is to the right of Victoria. And I had to see a new doctor, a new Endo. And that's when I started seeing a new endocrinologist and she was just as fabulous, if not more fabulous than the one that I'd seen. So I was very fortunate. With my endocrinologist, it's such an

Scott Benner 31:23
example to have how a decent well meaning doctor can can impact you so well. The only have to do their job and care a little bit and it makes such a big difference to you. And I'm saying that touch you inappropriately, but that as well. Yeah, well, okay, so how many years do you think you injected for? Before you got two faster acting insulin?

Stacey 31:52
I would have been around 30. So far, if I was diagnosed at 624 years,

Scott Benner 31:56
24 years, you did it that way? Then you went to a faster acting, but you were still injecting? Is that right? Yep. MDI? Yeah. And you did that for? Like, are you on a pump now? Or no?

Stacey 32:07
Yeah, I only went on to the Omnipod in November last year. So I was injecting for 43 years. 43 years.

Scott Benner 32:13
Wow. Wow. Hey, is there any chance that you got that on the pod because of the podcast?

Stacey 32:20
Well, no, not. Not recently. Basically, I'm

Scott Benner 32:25
trying to sell ads here. What are you doing? Just look, say? Just say something like, Hey, I'm a pod, I'd never would have known about the army part. If it wasn't for Scott. Good.

Stacey 32:35
To be honest, I never would have known what I know about the Omni pod. If it wasn't for Scott 100% 100%. I don't remember if I started researching the Omnipod just after I started listening to you, or if I started researching the Omnipod, just before I started listening to I don't remember. I don't know if my memory being so crappy, is because I'm 50 years old because of my diabetes. Sometimes, like

Scott Benner 33:04
question. I don't have diabetes. And sometimes I sit here thinking I know there's a word, it means this. I don't know what it is. So, and I was I was obviously I was teasing before, but about a year ago or so. insolate reached out to me and said, Hey, we're launching Omni pod in Australia. And we'd like you to talk about a little bit and I was like, okay, so I did in an ad or two. And then I just thought this would be a nice opportunity for you to say you heard one of those ads, but it's okay. Don't worry.

Stacey 33:37
You should have put me up better I would have I would have made you sound amazing.

Scott Benner 33:44
This is also nice. I mean, it's just it's um, was this a doctor that moves you towards the pump?

Stacey 33:50
No, no. So no, I started researching because I was getting frustrated with my hormones and of course my period and when I started listening to you, and you're saying Be bold with insulin as soon as I took that approach, man, it just changed my life even more than what my life had already been changed. And then I started researching maybe I did hear it from you because I started researching for a tubeless pump. I just didn't want to be on a pump with tubes

Scott Benner 34:21
can kill me Is it me or not?

Stacey 34:25
It was us thought it was you and the and then I found you and I heard you and then I've found that a bit the only people have just the

Scott Benner 34:35
best this is coercion. insolence listening right now they're like he's not getting credit for this lady. So it's fine. It's okay. But

Stacey 34:46
no, it was it was Scott. It was you. So when I researched and of course it wasn't available here in Australia. No, Scotty wasn't you now the pen is dry. Oh

Scott Benner 35:02
my god. All right, fine. Let's get past this. They see it's okay. It wasn't me. It's fine. I'm sure they'll still buy ads and hey, listen, if they stopped buying ads and the podcast collapses, it's not your fault, Stacy. Don't worry about it. Okay. It's me. I didn't come.

Stacey 35:21
I met Brett from insolate in Sydney, so I can speak to him if you like.

Scott Benner 35:26
You met a man named Brett.

Stacey 35:29
Yeah, he's from insolate. America. He's from Weed offers. Where did you meet him? In Sydney,

Scott Benner 35:37
but I noticed that they like at a Starbucks or how did you?

Stacey 35:44
I met him insolate, Australia, brought them down. And then they asked, they read one of my blogs. And I touched their hearts and everyone was crying in the office and they called me in to do a webinar. And that's where I met Brett.

Scott Benner 36:01
Oh, you met like Brett Christianson. Yeah,

Stacey 36:04
and I can't remember the other dudes name. Oops.

Scott Benner 36:07
I'm sure the other guy's thrilled right now.

Stacey 36:11
It was Lynn. Oh, no, it's just,

Scott Benner 36:13
I'm just the guy standing next to Brett. It's fine. Brett's been on the show.

Stacey 36:20
Sorry. Yes. Yeah, he's really

Scott Benner 36:22
great. Okay. Oh, so you wrote you. I didn't know you had a blog? Yeah, keep blogs. Yep. So you wrote you wrote something, I would say by the way, Stacy, you see what's going on as they were launching on the pod and in Australia, and they started looking around for people to talk to who, you know, I'm saying. So PR and marketing. I'm so jaded now. Like when I had somebody on the other day, she was really terrific. Jennifer stone. Right. So she was on Wizards of Waverly Place on on the Disney Channel. And she was absolutely terrific. And one of my favorite, like celebrity interviews, cuz she was so real and just conversational and everything. But somebody sent me a message and said, while she she mentioned the, the ink pen a couple of times. It felt like she works for them. And I was like, Yeah, I think she does. And I said, How do you think I get these people? Do you think they're just sitting around their house, like, you know what, I really want to be on a podcast and like they're fulfilling a business agreement. They've agreed to do a certain amount of media for the job they're doing, which is to represent a thing. And I'm just lucky enough that the podcast reaches enough people that the PR, people think to ask me if they'll be on. And I felt like do people not understand that, like, when you see the rock on The Tonight Show, you know, he's selling a movie, right? Like he wasn't? He wasn't like, Oh, I haven't talked to Jimmy Fallon in a while. I think I'll go over.

Stacey 37:56
Yeah, exactly. Right. Right.

Scott Benner 37:59
So okay, so they you wrote something, what, what did you write about?

Stacey 38:04
So I wrote about my experience starting the Omni pod. If anyone doesn't know what the Omni pod is, it's a tubeless pump. And it's fantastic. So I started writing about my experience the first couple of days with the Omni pod. And when I started the Omni pod, I cried for a month. I cried every day, because I didn't have to do another injection. And I cannot tell you the emotions that ran through me. And the hardest thing was that I'm going to get emotional. Now I'm going to try not to my father wasn't around my father passed away eight years ago. And they told us when I was diagnosed, by the time your daughter gets to 21, there'll be a cure will clearly have been 21 twice, and there's no cure. And to be on a pump, and not have to inject into your tummy, because that's the only place I would inject. It's not liberating. It's, I just don't feel like I'd like a diabetic anymore. And that's my hashtag. And I stand by that. Living with this pump. And of course, the senses. I actually don't actually don't feel like a diabetic. And my father wasn't here to see it or witnessed it or experienced it with me. I just broke my heart and I cried and cried for a month and I started writing my blogs and they were very emotional. Because I was just expressing my emotion at the time. And that's when that's when Jo Jo Seder from insolate Australia reached out to me and she's she was crying on the phone with me because she said your pod or your your blog. He touched my heart. She does talk to me some more. And then I just couldn't stop crying. And then they asked me to speak to government and Prime Minister and ministers. And just so we can have the pods subsidized, because to be honest, it's $400 a month here. And like it's eating into my home loan. I'm a single woman living on her own with a mortgage. And it's hard to keep it up. But I it's not something I want to give up, because it's just changed my life.

Scott Benner 40:31
And so there's an effort to get it covered by government insurance. Is that right? Correct. Yeah. Do you think it's gonna happen? Yes. That's great. Well, I mean, the perspective that you show to people listening is is really fascinating that just leaving injections was such a big deal for you. I mean, just that it meant everything to you. It's almost unexpected when I heard you say it. And, and at the same time, I thought, Oh, God, is she being paid by Omnipod? I should have asked.

Stacey 41:12
No, no.

Scott Benner 41:15
I just it was funny after everything we talked about where you're so she spoke about it so passionately, I was like, Maybe I should just ask.

Stacey 41:25
And that's the thing, Scott, I am so passionate about things that worked for me in that I love that. I'm going to tell I'm going to share it. I didn't want the Omnipod I wouldn't be sharing it. I I can go to the beach and sit on the beach on the sand, like a beached whale and just tan all day, and not have to worry about my pen and my insulin in my pen and whether it's overheating or not.

Scott Benner 41:53
But not in Tasmania because it's cold there. Correct. Spelling says I'm paying attention. Also, I fully believe that you would be honest about on the pod if you didn't like it after you were unwilling to even joke about hearing about it through the podcast. So you're like, No, I don't believe it was you. Okay? Sorry. It must be a ton of fun to date.

Stacey 42:22
I think I'm pretty good fun. Yeah, I just need as news people are scared of me. Not that they should be I've just my box bigger than my bike. Do you guys have that saying in America? I know the saying Yeah. Okay, cool. Yeah, yes. So Omnipod did change my life. And that happened November the 29th 2021. And I haven't looked back. And since that day, I've probably had three injections. Because I've had the other day, I had an issue with the Omnipod. It had a kinked cannula. And I couldn't get my blood sugar down. So just there must have a quick shot just to bring it down a quick insulin shot, if anyone's wondering, just to bring it back down. So since then, I've probably just had three insulin shots. Yeah,

Scott Benner 43:08
it's a great, by the way, a great tip. If you're wearing a pump and your bolusing and things aren't working, and you want to check to see if it's your site. Quick, easy way is to inject some insulin, if that suddenly works the way you expect it to. You might expect that there's an insulin delivery problem. So they go yeah, see that we can see something useful while we're talking. Yeah,

Stacey 43:29
of course we can. What I've noticed with Omni pod, I know exactly now when I'm ovulating. When my periods do I know it so well that I just changed my programs. And so I don't have these up and downs all the time, the highs and lows. I keep it consistent because I know my body. And it's the best thing, especially for people going into perimenopause and menopause like myself,

Scott Benner 43:58
are you getting real hot? Or what's happening to you?

Stacey 44:02
Um, I've just seen changes with my period every month. I don't get the hot flushes. I didn't get anything like that. I've just seen changes. And I'm 50 Look, it's going to start somewhere, isn't it? You would? You would. So I'm just I want to tackle it before it gets me before it gets me before it really starts happening. And that's what the Omnipod has done. For me. It's allowed me like if I wake up and have my when I wake up and have my breakfast. If I spike straight after my breakfast, I'm ovulating. So I change my program to my ovulation program. And then it comes back in line. If I start hyper when after breakfast, then I know that I need to switch it back because sometimes we forget because we're 50 we forget now

Scott Benner 44:52
do you find that during the event you need more or less insulin

Stacey 44:59
and If it depends, one month, need more and then the next month I'll need less.

Scott Benner 45:06
Has that changed since menopause or you're you think you're perimenopause? You don't think you're

Stacey 45:14
Perry? Yeah, I think comparing. Yep. So it has that

Scott Benner 45:17
changed recently, or what was it more consistent in the years prior?

Stacey 45:22
Well, I don't know. Because I was an MDI, I could never control it. I just with MDI, all I did was increase my level media, because I went on to live in media. In the mornings, I increased it by two units every morning for the date for the days that I had my period or before my period. That's all I did. And it wasn't even great. It helped. But it wasn't great.

Scott Benner 45:47
Yeah, it wasn't instantaneous enough, either. Because you have to notice it. And then I imagine you wait another day to make sure you're sure. And then yes, then you inject it, and then you don't get that benefit for hours and hours after that. And by the time you do all that you're probably halfway through your period.

Stacey 46:06
Correct? Yeah, exactly. Right. Whilst with a sensor in the Omnipod, you just see, you actually can see what's happening to your body. So you just adjust accordingly. And it's, it's the best thing I'm like, I'm like, Yay for diabetes. It's fantastic to get diabetes. You know, there's nothing wrong with you, you can get through it, because we've got this technology, and it's amazing.

Scott Benner 46:31
Are you using a libre or a Dexcom? Dexcom. Okay, and is that in Australia right now is that Dexcom? Six, six, you have the six? Is that covered by the by the Health Authority?

Stacey 46:45
It's just got covered on July the first so yes, we were paying $300 $350 for the sensor, and then another $400 for the transmitter every three months.

Scott Benner 47:02
Or Stacey, were you out of pocket almost $10,000 a year for insulin pumps, and then CGM. Wow. Yep. Yep. Why? Why does it take so long for them to cover it when they're covering other insulin pumps aren't saying

Stacey 47:18
they are. Because the Omni pod isn't part of the I might say all this wrong, because I'm not. I'm not a doctor or into medical terms. But

Scott Benner 47:30
it's just a podcast, you can be wrong if you want to go.

Stacey 47:35
It's it's not on the process price thesis list. It's not considered I don't I don't I don't understand. And therefore it's not a normal pump, like your other plants pumps. So they haven't put it on health insurance or subsidized. So that's what we're fighting for at the moment. And I and I mean, we're fighting for it. There's a few of us on Instagram, and we keep putting up posts fund the pod fund the pod, it's, you know, it's life changing, and it'll save us from complications and living a longer and healthier life. And it'll save us from going to hospital and, you know, you can monitor everything, so I don't understand why they won't subsidize it.

Scott Benner 48:24
Well, I'm gonna guess it's got something to do with money. And, and other things. Maybe there's I don't want to guess but is the other pump may be? I don't know. I don't know. I'd be guessing. But sometimes it's just political pressure. Correct. You know, and I understand that. Yeah.

Stacey 48:45
Yeah, I understand that. But $400 a month before the sensors was subsidized. Like we were paying nearly $100 A month plus your insulin plus your jelly beans or your juice box or whatever you need to treat your hypose Plus or your doctor's appointment. We were looking at $1,500 a month.

Scott Benner 49:07
Yeah. How much you know, we've been through Australia.

Stacey 49:11
Jelly Beans, a packet. A kilo. One kilo is about $12 from the pharmacy or the chemists I don't know what you guys call it over there pharmacy or chemist.

Scott Benner 49:20
Chemist better but we call it a pharmacy. Chemists makes it in my opinion. The word chemists makes it feel like they're making meth which I think is fun. Start I'm gonna start calling the pharmacist the chemist. My gosh, well, I applaud you going so hard after this. It's um, do you do it just to Instagram?

Stacey 49:45
Just to Instagram I do. I can't do my blogs on Instagram because Instagram only allows you to have certain amount of characters and my blogs go full pages. I'm on a site To on Facebook, and it's the Omni pod, Australian users. And I'm sure you can join if you want Scott. You don't have to be Australian to use it. And I write them on there. And people just use the wait for my blog so they could read it and see what's happened and how have I challenged it and what's happened because I'll say it the pod was proud. You know, Edom started beeping at me while I'm in the water at the beach and the whole beach herder and I still don't know why. And I had to race home and change it and come back to the beach to continue my tanning and then, you know, I rang insha Allah and we went through it. And it's, you know, it only cooked in the sun because there was some baking

Scott Benner 50:43
so you don't realize that that was a it was a alarm to warn you of a shark attack it was it saved. Yeah, absolutely save your life. Yeah. They can't listen on the podcast, put that in the literature because, you know, spotty coverage doesn't work all the time. But would you have a pod failure? Did you not know how to like stick a pin in the back to shut it up?

Stacey 51:13
It just was beeping and I didn't own it said call customer service. Insulin has stopped or something like that. Okay, so I clicked on it. I think it said change pod. And I said yes. And it stopped. But I was getting no insurance. So we got in the car and I had to come home and change the pod and then we went back to the beach. The first time it happened, I was quite scared. Because I didn't know what the hell was going on. Okay. The second time it happened. I'm like, Come on, man. You're killing me. All I want to do is someday you're killing me. And then the third time it happened. I'm like, It's me. It's user error. It cannot be the pod. So that's when I rang up insulin and said, What am I doing wrong? And then they said, Well, what have you been doing? I said some baking? Was the pod exposed to the sun? Absolutely. It was like my whole body is exposed to the sun. Yes. They're like, yeah, you've cooked it. It only goes up to what 38 degrees? I think it you know, it depends. We get 30s and 38 and 40 degree heat. But I was sitting in the sun with the sun beaming on it. Not 30 minutes slept for hours. I overheated. The

Scott Benner 52:31
artists laid on the beach in it. Actually, she's going to the beach on Saturday. She told me. Yeah. And I you know, she told me that she said, Oh, we're going to the beach on Saturday. Like, that's great. You'll be taking insulin and an extra pod, right? And she goes, Yes, I will. And I was like, Okay, great. Then go to the beach.

Stacey 52:49
You see, I didn't do that. Maybe you needed to tell me that because I had to come home three times and change the damn thing. I'm like, come on, Stacy. I'd like

Scott Benner 52:57
to, I'd like to share with you a famous quote from an American president. Fool me once. Shame on you. Fool me Don't get fooled again. And so that's that's George Bush, by the way. Miss Miss completely misrepresenting that it's one of my favorite things anyone's ever said. But, so you know, it's Fool me once. Shame on you. Fool me twice. Shame on me. Yeah, but have you ever heard him say it? No. Oh, it's spectacular.

Stacey 53:34
No, no, you know if I have heard him say it, I probably don't remember. me back

Scott Benner 53:39
in school. It's my, it's my favorite thing that anyone's ever gotten wrong. I don't even care, by the way about his politics or who he is. It's just, I couldn't possibly care less. It's my favorite thing. I will find the audio and put it at the end of the episode. It's so it's so great. He just like playing. Caught in the middle. He just goes fool me Don't get fooled again. It sounds like he turns into Elvis in the middle of it. It's fantastic. Anyway, my God. Okay, so. So your point is you'll write about on the pod and you'll say when you love it, and you'll say when you have a problem that you're really open and honest about it. Yeah, and yeah, I think that's important. I think, you know, years ago, I was making the point to an advertiser who was like, you know, somebody was like, negative about our thing. And I said, Yeah, well, your thing's not perfect. You know? And if you if what you want is for people to pretend it is. I think you're just I think you're just setting people up to be disappointed. Like, wouldn't it be better to know that sometimes stuff goes wrong, and here's how you deal with it instead of treating them like oh, this is going to be absolutely insanely perfect for you every minute of every day for the rest of your life. And then when something goes wrong, they think it's a giant failure. They're still just little machines. You know, like, I feel the same way when I feel the same way when people are like, I test it, and my blood sugar's 120. And my Dexcom said, I was 98. I'm like,

Stacey 55:13
yeah, there's a delay. Yes,

Scott Benner 55:15
Stacy, you still we're in a party to figure out her blood sugar. And by the way, it wasn't right or actionable. So, you know, 120 98 it's good information. It's good information. And, and they'll say, and they'll say stuff like, well, it's normally so accurate. And so you're it's normally so accurate. But this one time it wasn't. And you're right away like this piece of garbage. Like I you don't understand, like, you have no perspective for diabetes technology. This stuff is astonishing right now. And, and just getting better all the time. So are you? Are you What are you using the only pod dash?

Stacey 55:55
Guess the Omnipod. Five hasn't come here. And I kept asking Brett to accidentally leave one before he left. But he didn't want like we couldn't discuss it. We couldn't talk about it because it hasn't been released in Australia. So they were very protective of the Omnipod. Five, and that's fine, because it's not here. I have my manager who's gone to the States at the moment, and I was gonna say to him, can you just grab me an Omnipod? Five and bring it back for me, but I didn't realize that you need letters and what have you. So I just a board that mission?

Scott Benner 56:33
Board board? Yeah, you know, of all the companies, they they don't talk about stuff before it's cleared. Because it can cause real, like regulatory problems while they're trying to get stuff through the FDA. Yeah, I remember God who came on somebody from something one time and just said something offhanded about something that hadn't been cleared yet. And I got like a panic email about six hours later. And it was just like three words. And he's like, You need to take those three words out, or we're gonna we're gonna get killed by the FDA. And I was like, whatever, it's fine with me. Like, I don't want I'm not trying to get you into any would entertain anything wrong. Like you don't even you just kind of like, kind of wondered out loud about something. And he's like, we can't say that right now. And I was like, Okay, no problem. So but yeah, they're all very they're paranoid. They Oh, yeah, they really are.

Stacey 57:27
So if the TGA is listening, you need to get your act together. And if the government's listening, you need to get your act together.

Scott Benner 57:33
You think the government will listen to this? Hey, if someone from the Australian Government is listening, I'd like to email. I'd like to know that I have that kind of power. You know what I mean? Because I'm going to start asking for other things. For instance, why can't you make the sharks remote control? Like what if you put like a little like headset on them, like in the cartoons, and you could keep them away from where you guys are surfing? How many people are killed by sharks in Australia every year? By the way?

Stacey 57:59
I don't know those statistics. Those statistics don't bother me because it hasn't killed me. So I don't really care. Why are you swimming with the sharks in the first place?

Scott Benner 58:08
I don't understand. And I don't agree. They shouldn't be. How many shark attacks have been reported in Australia in 2022. There have been 11 Shark Attack bites in Australia. But by the way, here's an interesting statement, zero provoked and one fatal. So one person has been killed by a shark in Australia this year. But what the hell does they're not provoked mean? How do I how do you know that the shark didn't feel provoked. Did you ask?

Stacey 58:37
Exactly right. They're in their territory at the end of the day.

Scott Benner 58:41
Wow, this is a thing they track. How do you provoke, unprovoked, provoked while they train, by the way, while they track shark attacks forever, recorded shark incidences since 1791.

Stacey 58:59
Oh, my God, who's keeping

Scott Benner 59:01
track of this?

Stacey 59:04
Insulin wasn't even released in 1791.

Scott Benner 59:07
Exactly right. And we were still tracking shark attacks. Most of them are minor lacerations, by the way. All right. Okay, except for the ones that say horrible things, which I'm not gonna do let's just stick with the most of them are just minor lacerations. That's fine. I didn't know that. People were tracking something like that. I've been scrolling the whole time we're talking I'm only to 1930

Stacey 59:33
they go. I say so. We don't even have a cure for diabetes. Yet. They're tracking sharps shark attacks,

Scott Benner 59:42
by the way is que LD Queensland. Yes, it is. What do you mean? I'm going to be like an official Australian by the time you and I are done talking. Also, my my my my sense of humor works in Australia, doesn't it?

Stacey 59:57
It does what you've got me in hysterics on my mom. Mr. walks every day and when I decided to listen to you, I just, I died from laughter

Scott Benner 1:00:05
I'm gonna move there when I retire. Can you get rid of all the spiders before I get there, please? Because if you could do that,

Stacey 1:00:12
just just move to I don't even know where I could send you so you don't get a tape boy, what a great white

Scott Benner 1:00:19
one. I'm not going in the ocean. But I do panic because if something goes wrong, how do you get off the island? You don't I mean? It's just not. I want to be able to run on land. Seriously, I want to be able to bolt in a direction if stuff gets upside down. You have you ever heard the one episode I did with someone? Where I was, you know, joking, joking about spiders. And then they told a story about a spider being in their toilet?

Stacey 1:00:44
No, I didn't hear I haven't heard. Do you know you've got over 700 episodes like, I only started listening to you last year. I haven't gotten through even half of them.

Scott Benner 1:00:53
Have you considered quitting your job or so that you could listen more?

Stacey 1:00:58
Now? Because then I couldn't afford my Omnipod on the pot again.

Scott Benner 1:01:03
Could you just real quick say Omni pod.com forward slash juice box in that delightful accent of yours.

Stacey 1:01:09
omnipod.com forward slash juicebox. Thank you in that delightful voice of mine. Is that right?

Scott Benner 1:01:18
I like the way you say I like the way you say it. You say insulin, which is cool. And when you tried to say HB a one say it was delightful.

Stacey 1:01:28
I don't even know what it is HB a one C HB one AC Hb C one a I don't even know what it is.

Scott Benner 1:01:36
I have to say I've got I think I've gone over this with an Australian in the past. But my favorite part of it is that you take the H and you turn it into a word that sounds like haitch. So it's almost like, hey, YH a Yech, maybe. And then it says like, hey, H, HB, HB. So it's H A, I think it's ha why. Maybe see hy CH and then B, B, E, and then and then you put the, you put the one in front of the A. So you go HB one a one C, which is backwards. It's a once it's absolutely delightful. I'm I swear to you, I don't know why you're single. But if Kelly dies, I'm coming and finding you for sure. And by the way, she's on a flight right now overseas, so All right.

Stacey 1:02:31
Well, look, the man you know about diabetes. You know, you're very welcome.

Scott Benner 1:02:38
I would totally be a catch for a 50 year old type one wasn't?

Stacey 1:02:43
Absolutely.

Scott Benner 1:02:45
I never thought of it that way. I'm gonna have no trouble dating if this plane crashes.

Stacey 1:02:52
Well, Kelly,

Scott Benner 1:02:54
Munich right now texting me from the airport. So she had to go to she had to go to Paris for work. And she's she's on our way back. Her life is horrible. Very tough. As you can tell. Yeah.

Stacey 1:03:06
It sounds a constant struggle.

Scott Benner 1:03:12
But okay, so let me make sure. Is there anything we haven't talked about that I should have? The one thing you thought you put in your notes about growing up in a Greek family, like you said it like that means something. So let me first ask you the obvious question. Your favorite actor is John Stamos. Right.

Stacey 1:03:35
George Clooney Clooney.

Scott Benner 1:03:36
Okay. All right. I just thought

Stacey 1:03:39
you know, John Stamos is pretty hot. And he doesn't even look like he's nearly 60. But George Clooney is just Ah, he's holding up. Ah, he's amazing. Yeah. Like, what's planning is my favorite actor. Did I write John Stamos?

Scott Benner 1:03:54
No, I just assumed because of

Stacey 1:03:56
the Greek well, because he's great.

Scott Benner 1:04:00
And you have the mind big. You have My Big Fat Greek Wedding on like VHS and DVD, right?

Stacey 1:04:05
Correct. Yeah, absolutely. I do.

Scott Benner 1:04:10
Wait a minute. Do you really?

Stacey 1:04:12
I do. I've got it on DVD. I don't know about VHS. But I do have it on DVD. Yes, I do. But my

Scott Benner 1:04:19
powers of generalization are amazing.

Stacey 1:04:23
You stereotype me too.

Scott Benner 1:04:25
It's so easy. I don't I always say to people, like you know, stereotypes are wrong. And I was like, Oh, okay. They're also incredibly accurate. So how do you think I jumped to so many conclusions while I'm making the podcast and I'm always right. Always right. Even even with the spider and I'm like, oh, spiders are terrible, right? She's like, Well, yeah, there was one of my toilet. I was like, yeah, see? I'm right about that. Anyway, okay, so Well, no, now that I've heard you say that I don't think I'm a good replacement then. As a mate because if you're looking at George Clooney, I don't think I'm on the same. Not exactly on the same scale as him. You don't I mean

Stacey 1:05:09
I think all the women look at George Clooney like that. I don't think it's just me.

Scott Benner 1:05:13
I believe I look at George Clooney like that. So handsome man. Like you're me. I'd hit two by the way.

Stacey 1:05:22
Oh, yeah. Brad Pitt's. Alright. Yeah,

Scott Benner 1:05:24
we don't love Brad Pitt because he's his features aren't dark enough for you? Hmm.

Stacey 1:05:28
Um, I don't know. I don't know what it is about threat. Brad Pitt. He's no he he's just got on the i But here's something about Clooney. I know. Do you really devastated when he married that woman that he married?

Scott Benner 1:05:43
That woman? Woman that pulled them out of the dating pool. I was so close.

Stacey 1:05:50
Oh, it was like lice. You've got no idea. Scott. Isn't she no idea. Isn't she like

Scott Benner 1:05:54
a genius and an attorney and like nine other things?

Stacey 1:05:59
And like 10 or 20 years younger than me? Yes. She is. My age.

Scott Benner 1:06:03
Is she really younger? Yeah, she's

Stacey 1:06:06
younger than him.

Scott Benner 1:06:07
Oh, I guess if I was George Clooney, I'd get a younger

Stacey 1:06:11
show.

Scott Benner 1:06:14
Hey, have you ever seen Brad Pitt's brother in anything?

Stacey 1:06:19
Nine. Has he got a brother? Yes.

Scott Benner 1:06:21
Do you don't know. Stupid? No, no. No, stupid. No, no.

I believe I think this episode's gonna be called stupid.

Stacey 1:06:37
I dare you to do that. That'd be so cool.

Scott Benner 1:06:44
Meanwhile, the people from AMI Potter like call it on the pods available in Australia. But yeah, yeah, call

Stacey 1:06:50
it that Oh, call it fun the pod stupid. Stupid though. We can hashtag the Prime Minister's?

Scott Benner 1:07:03
Well you can do that anyway, you don't think they'd be like, Why am I listening to something called stew kit? Also, after all this, they they're probably not even inclined to help you. But just like this why? Exactly right. Now, I mean, seriously, it's it's great to bring awareness to it. Because I mean, it's just, it's obvious, right? Like, people need choices. And they need options. And they need to feel like I mean, it took it. You didn't even know you were hopeless. I think if I'm if I'm understanding your story correctly, like you didn't real I don't imagine you knew when you got an insulin pump, that you would feel the relief that you felt.

Stacey 1:07:45
No, no, absolutely not. I I don't even know. I didn't even think about how I would feel. All I thought about was I can control my hormones in regards to my periods. My ovulation, perimenopause, menopause, that's all I thought about. And then when my diabetes educator said, put it on your arm, and this is it. I went back to work. And I was in a daze. I was walking around the office and people were saying to me, are you okay? And I'd look at them. I said, Yeah, but I've got this thing on my arm. And I'm just, I'm just trying to come to terms with it. I don't really know what's going on.

Scott Benner 1:08:26
Yeah, so it's weird enough to put something I hear people say all the time, like, especially about their children. Like a lot of people with newly diagnosed kids. Like I don't want to stick something on my kid. And I'm like, you listen, the pros are gonna far outweigh the cons. Just go for it, you know. So after you get past that feeling, like you, you describe, like actual elation, about not having to and I assume there was there was that and then the sadness of not like, I assume you wanted your father to be able to experience that too. So he wouldn't have to feel as badly for you or worry about much. Yeah, yeah,

Stacey 1:09:02
yeah. Because I told my mom, and my mom's nine, turning nine to one. So she was 90 at the time. And I don't think she really comprehended what I've done or what this means. And all she said to me, in her Greek accent once, good luck. And I just looked at her and I'm like, I don't think she understands what this actually means. Yeah, for me, and even though I tried to explain to her don't have to do an injection again, in Greek or send it to her. I still don't think she totally grasp what it actually means was with my dad, because my dad did everything. He injected me. He used to chase me around the house and I used to be crying my eyes out. So he wouldn't give me an insulin shot. I just would scream and yell and you know, he was 41 when I was diagnosed, and he aged within six months of me being diagnosed And he experienced it all he, he did it all. So the fact that he wasn't here, it broke me. It actually broke me because it would have been something I wanted to share with him and set him dead. Look, it's not a cure, but it's like a cure. I feel cured. And he would get it. Most mum didn't understand it.

Scott Benner 1:10:22
Do you think if she was younger, she would have understood or even Yes, yeah. But my mom ad and there are times where she responds to things. And I think I don't even think she means that. Like, I don't even know that she has an opinion. Sometimes I think she's just working off the last thing that she remembers. And yes, you know, it's just it's tough getting older, but I understand what you mean. Like you didn't you lost out on telling your father and then telling telling your mom was anticlimactic and not very fulfilling? Right? Well, you told me and I understand what you're saying. And I'm thrilled for you.

Stacey 1:10:57
All Thank you.

Scott Benner 1:10:59
Not the same, but you know,

Stacey 1:11:02
no, but and that's the thing. And, you know, like I've had people when I brought it in my pods, and I've had friends that follow me, you know, there were friends that have asked me about it. And they get just as excited because they used to see me in a restaurant, pull up my top, calculate my car, because I'm by carbs, I follow my macros strictly not for my diabetes, follow up for weight loss. And because I lift weights, but they used to see me lift up my shirt or my dress and just inject and, you know, one of my closest girlfriends, she she's just as excited as me, because she just looks at the PDM she says that it every time is 30. And I'm like, Yeah, that's it. That's all I have to do now. And it's just the best best feeling. And then, you know, I've got a sister and a brother and a brother in law and a sister in law, my sister in law is a type one diabetic as well. And she's obviously married to my brother, and their son is a type one diabetic also now, and I was telling them and they didn't. None of them got excited. And that's because it was taboo. We made it taboo to talk about it because I didn't want to talk about it slot. I told no one I traveled overseas and I didn't tell the people I was traveling with that I was a diabetic.

Scott Benner 1:12:19
You know, and now you're willing to talk about it. And well, that's good, because they'll figure it out from watching you at some point too. Yeah. All right. Yeah, they absolutely will. And that and you'll end up helping them as well. Also the way you say Tebow was amazing.

Stacey 1:12:35
To me.

Scott Benner 1:12:39
Sounds like a city and Star Wars. Lovely. Taboo. I mean, it's fantastic. I listen, I can't say water. So you know, whatever. But now that's a lovely story. It really is. We mixed it in with a lot of insanity. But I think it's, it's a really lovely, lovely story. And, yeah, I think it's important. So you're gonna keep going. I imagine if you can get on the pod five one day you will?

Stacey 1:13:14
Oh, absolutely. I'm first in line. I've told insolate in Sydney, as soon as it comes out, you're going to ring me you're going to tell me I'm going to be there. We're going to do this. I don't want to wait any longer than what I had to wait for the Omnipod because we had to book in, go through the diabetes educator. And you know, it went on a little bit too long, but that's okay. I'm there I'm first I'll be you'll see me on the news in America going there's a crazy girl running around Australia. She got the Omnipod five that'd be me.

Scott Benner 1:13:43
Listen, I don't know if it's inappropriate to say but the one thing I don't like about this Omnipod story is that now they're not fit women pulling up their dresses in restaurants anymore. I mean, I think that's a downside if I'm being honest.

Stacey 1:13:59
Probably is but hey,

Scott Benner 1:14:00
how was How was lunch? Jim? I was good. I had a burger and some girl put her dress up it was fantastic. I don't know what the hell she was doing but you know me it made the wait for the French fries easier

you don't have french fries never. What was even had French fries in Australia. Of course you do. Right? Yeah, we

Stacey 1:14:25
have french fries in Australia. But I was so discreet Scott people didn't even know that I did it half the times.

Scott Benner 1:14:32
No, I know. I know you get really good at it. I actually when you notice people doing it in public. I sometimes think I only notice it because I know what they're doing. And right and they're there so like, alright, I'll just like Ninja like about it that I don't think anyone else sees it but but somebody else who knows about it, you know? So

Stacey 1:14:56
yeah, I remember the first time I did it at a restaurant with one of my My closest girlfriends, she had never seen me do it before. And she went into complete meltdown. She calls the scene at the table. Really? Yep. She calls the scene. Oh my god. What are you doing? Why are you doing that here? Can't you go to the toilet? Why does it have to be here? Are you embarrassed?

Scott Benner 1:15:19
Oh, she's Uh oh. Oh, yeah, I almost used a bad word.

Stacey 1:15:25
You should have called Don't worry about that. I don't know how I have managed to speak to you without dropping a few bombs there. But yeah. You go to the toilet? What do I have to go to the toilet? You go to the toilet. And

Scott Benner 1:15:40
that's, I never understand that. That reaction, like if someone like it's the tiniest bit of common sense to look at a person and go, Wow, that's a lot for a person to have to do. I'll be flexible here. You know, even if it bothers me, Hey, real quick, the bad word that you were thinking of for her say it and I'll bleep it out. And then we'll see if it's the word I was thinking. Go ahead. Oh, I was thinking, no, no, I can't say my word.

Stacey 1:16:08
You should use Alright, tell me what it started then I'll say it just blanked me out.

Scott Benner 1:16:13
I was thinking, Oh, my God. I was thinking, actually.

Stacey 1:16:19
No, that's one word. I don't use God. Unless I'm in the car by myself. And you drive like a maniac. You're gonna cop that word, but in front of people. I do not say that word. I try not to

Scott Benner 1:16:30
know. I don't think I obviously wouldn't either. I could barely get it out. But I'm just thinking like, doesn't it? Does the British connotation of that word. Is that the same? As in Australia, like the vibe of what that word means? Yes, yes. So then it would fit in that spot. Right. But it wouldn't have the American feeling of it?

Stacey 1:16:50
No, because what's the American feeling of it? Do you guys use it differently to us?

Scott Benner 1:16:55
I think here, it's just a it's just a vicious word about women. Whereas I think I think in like in England, Australia, it's more about like the way you would like if you saw somebody just being a, like, an A jerk you like you'd almost call them like a dick here, I think yes. Right. Correct. Yeah. But yeah, I don't know. I love when a person with an accent uses that word correctly. I find it to be delightful.

Stacey 1:17:26
So we use it pretty much together with the other word that I said.

Scott Benner 1:17:31
Oh, which one goes? So hold on. We'll just bleep this out. Is it? It's not like you don't just put them together, right?

Stacey 1:17:39
Yeah, we do. We absolutely do. What do you think? Oh, like

Scott Benner 1:17:42
that. That's beautiful. That's fine. bleep that

Stacey 1:17:45
out. Leave it in let people hear I can't

Scott Benner 1:17:47
I can't leave that enter. I lose my clean reading and I are an apple will take me out of certain countries. Oh, you better bleep it out. No, I believe it out. But I love it. Although, although I got a very passionate note from a woman here, we'll end on this. Let me take a drink Hold on. I got a very I use the word. So I left the word fun in an episode by mistake during during the editing process, and then the very next day, I did it again. So for two I don't know what was wrong with me that week when I was editing, but I missed the word twice in in concurrent episodes, I'm making so much editing for myself right now. And and so I immediately realized that and I took them out. And I went to the Facebook group just to share with people Hey, like, you know, I missed a couple I'm sorry. And I titled the Facebook post, I gave to by mistake. And then I just explained, you know, in this episode in that episode, but it's been fixed. And if you're scared, you're gonna hear it, delete the episode and redownload it you should get a clean copy. But some people's players don't replace copies when I put them up. There's nothing I can do about that, blah, blah. And I just explained it out. Like I really wanted people to know if you don't want to hear it. Like, here's a way you could possibly get ahead of not hearing it. And I got a very passionate note from a woman who told me how much the podcast has helped her. How amazing it's been for her health, but that she was not going to listen anymore. And I was like, wait, what? Because at first I thought, well, that's strange. You know, do you mean like, like, if it's helping you that much like you're gonna give away your good health or your happiness or whatever for for this. But yeah, like it meant that much to her. So I responded back to when I said, Listen, that was an honest mistake. I didn't just leave it in there on purpose. Like I genuinely made a mistake and I didn't take it out. And then she responded back and she said, Well, I'll think about it. And I was like, Okay, well, she's like mistakes do happen. I was like we are being very serious right now and about something that she obviously felt very strongly about that. It's was interesting to me. Because I don't think twice about it. Like I wouldn't if I if this wasn't a clean rated show, I would be cursing a lot more. You know?

Stacey 1:20:09
100% I get you it's it's part of our vocabulary vocabulary, but at the end of the day, she's got what diabetes and you can't say the words. What come on all the time because it frustrates us.

Scott Benner 1:20:22
Do you think she does? Yeah, obviously my I'm going to spend an extra half an hour cleaning up this episode, but that's not the point. And we're in this far now. You know, In for a penny in for a pound. Which I'm sorry. I'm sure George Bush would have said in for a nickel buy me $1. So But alright, so do you want to stay? So we're done. But do you want to stay with me for a second while I find the George Bush thing? Yeah, no worries. Okay. Because you gotta go to bed. Oh, don't

Stacey 1:20:54
worry about it. I normally get up at this time to change my pod.

Scott Benner 1:20:58
Why is that happening? Because

Stacey 1:21:01
because we pay $400 SCOTT I use it up until the ADL was a finish.

Scott Benner 1:21:05
Oh, you stretch it out as far as you can. Yeah,

Stacey 1:21:09
absolutely. And if I have to get up at one o'clock two o'clock in the morning, then I'm gonna do that

Scott Benner 1:21:16
Alright, hold on a second. Let me see if I can pick this up on the microphone.

Speaker 3 1:21:19
There's an old saying in Tennessee I noticed the Texas Property boom it was shamoon.

Stacey 1:21:40
He was a bit muffled but I heard that last week. You for me for me. What did he say?

Scott Benner 1:21:46
He starts out he goes there's an old saying in Tennessee. I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee that says Fool me once. Shame on shame on you. Fool me. You can't get fooled again. By the way, is that not like a Led Zeppelin? Or, or Pink Floyd? Lyric?

Stacey 1:22:10
I don't know because I don't listen to them. You can't get fooled

Scott Benner 1:22:13
to get what is that? How are you not going to be helpful for me? Now if I need to know this?

Stacey 1:22:18
I don't I don't listen to Led Zeppelin or Pink Floyd.

Scott Benner 1:22:23
Well, I'm a girl. You're a girl. It's the who by the way. I've added myself as not knowing my 67 days rock won't get Won't Get Fooled Again is is that who song? So in my heart, I believe that he started into this. forgot he was in Texas, first of all, said Tennessee. Right. And then it's fantastic. And then he starts into the saying gets lost and finishes with who? Lyric? It's brilliant. Absolutely. Absolutely brilliant. It's just one of the best gaffes I've heard in my entire life.

Stacey 1:23:01
Anyway, know that when we get off, I'm gonna go and google it suck and listen to it properly. Yeah,

Scott Benner 1:23:06
well, and I will. I'll find them mp3 And I'll drop it in here. So it's, that's got to be public domain. I'm sure I can put that in here. So all right. Well, Stacy, you were a lovely, thank you so much. I appreciate you doing this very much.

Stacey 1:23:18
Oh, no, thank you. And like I said, I don't even remember why I contacted you. But I'm really glad we had the conversation was just, yeah, you've made me laugh, like you're always doing it's, it's been great. It's really good. And, you know, you just have to know what, what a difference you make to people with type one diabetes, then for someone who's lived with for 43 years, and like I said, you know, you think you know it or and then I'm listening to you. And I've learned so much. You know, I take my hat off to you. It's just amazing. And I can't thank you enough.

Scott Benner 1:23:50
That's my pleasure. And it's very nice of you to say that. Thank you. I also think that you added something today to the podcast. That story about your father, I think is going to resonate with a lot of people. And so I was very nicely to share it. And I know it must not be easy to talk about.

Stacey 1:24:07
Yeah, no, look, I love talking about my dad. Sometimes I get really emotional. Sometimes I'm okay, like today I held it together. But he was yeah, obviously. He's a little girl. I was the youngest. I am the youngest. So I was definitely daddy's little girl and you know, a Greek man whose daughter is diagnosed with a disease that would never be cured. You know, that hit him hard. And he took me everywhere to get me cured because he couldn't understand that. So, you know, my dad means a lot to me and I miss him like hell every day. But it's these little things that I want to share with him and our car. And I have to talk to myself in my house going Dad, can you hear me Shut up. We look among the Omnipod and it's just not the same. To actually hear him say well done. You know, I'm so proud of you just to give me a cuddle

Scott Benner 1:24:59
a lot You've never heard him answer you have you have never well, you've never heard him answer you have you?

Stacey 1:25:06
Um, I haven't heard him answer me. But I have felt him. I know you're being facetious. With me right now he's

Unknown Speaker 1:25:16
got some serious I had to stop.

Stacey 1:25:20
No, I haven't heard him answer me. But I have failed to hear. And I know that he's here with me.

Scott Benner 1:25:25
That's wonderful. Good. I'm glad he sounds like he was a terrific father. And I understand why you missed him so much.

Stacey 1:25:31
Yeah, he was like you the way you look after Aidan, that was my dad, no, maybe a little bit strict on my dad, because he was great. But the way you look after Aiden, I just sit and I hear you when you talk about her, and you tell her what she needs to do, and she ignores you. And you know, you look at her at the sensor and where she's at. And you tell her how much to give herself and all this stuff. It's like, there's so my dad used to do with me, just of course, with syringes and vial, insulin, you know, glass vials of insulin. And yeah, it's, you've, you've done a terrific job to see, you need to be proud. And you've helped a billion of us if not more, you know, that, you know, type one diabetes is? It's, I don't want to say it's a crappy disease. It is a crappy disease if you let it be a crappy disease. But it's the people that look after you who are think with the most of you, it's harder for them than it is for the individual.

Scott Benner 1:26:31
You know? Yeah, I think that there's a perspective both ways that's valuable for people to understand. I think that parents can not sometimes completely appreciate what it's like for kids. And I think the kids don't appreciate what it was like for the parents. And I'm always happy when I talked to adults who were kids with type one. And they have that realization about what it must have been like for their parents. I think it's I think it's a nice closing of a circle.

Stacey 1:27:01
Yeah, absolutely. Do you know, I blamed my dad, one day, we'll fighting and I turned, and I knew what I was saying wasn't the right thing. But I actually said to him, I said, it's because of you have got diabetes. And that was the worst thing I could have said to him. And his heart broke in front of minnows, a little teenagers, a little beach. And I just walked away. I had no care in the world that I had just heard my father. And then like, now, as I got older, and once I lost him, I've apologized profusely to him going, I was a beach. I'm sorry, I was a real bitch. What can I say? I shouldn't have said that to you. But that's what I said to him. Because I was hurting.

Scott Benner 1:27:36
I think, in every scenario without with or without diabetes, at some point, a child is gonna say something hurtful to their parent and the parents are, you're not ready for it the first time it happens. But if you're, if you're thoughtful about it, and sounds like your dad was like, I'm sure he realized you didn't mean that. So I wouldn't beat yourself up about that at my kids have said stuff to me. And I'm like, Oh, well, it's a good thing. I gave up my whole life to make you. Great. It's really feels all worth it right now. Thanks a lot. And then I look back, and I'm like, you know, my mom tried to plan a surprise birthday for me. I don't remember how old I was. And I somebody, like ruined the surprise. And I was uncomfortable with the idea of people gathering to like, celebrate me. And instead of instead of telling my mom that I yelled at her, and and I made her cancel the party, and I felt bad about that my entire life. But you know, I didn't mean anything by it. It was a it was a reflection about how I felt about myself not about what she was doing. Yeah, of course. And you guys listen to the podcast, even though I tried to joke my way through it, I'm still incredibly uncomfortable. With it like that. You just said a lot of lovely things that I'm pretty sure if I was completely healthy, I would accept in a better way. And I just did. Because, you know, intellectually, I think I'm more than aware of what the podcast does for people. And I know, I know, when you reach numbers, it, it feels. I mean, listen, it's if you help one person, that's an amazing feat. And I have, you know, I'm not saying you have to help 10 people for it to be amazing. But there is the you know, there's something that happens when you reach millions and millions of downloads that you recognize that if this is your story, or if someone's talking about how the podcast helped them that there are other people like that. And so I do my best to absorb them. You know, there was a there's a great review that came a couple days ago from Great Britain. And the person just said that, that I'm making the diabetes community stronger, and improving and improving people's lives and I try really hard to accept that like I, I've, I put it on my desktop so that I could try to not be uncomfortable with it. Yep, you know,

Stacey 1:30:01
and you should accept it. And it's like when people give you a compliment you people don't know how to take it. And, you know, you respond like, Yeah, whatever or okay, and you never say thanks for the compliment. It's the same. It's because we're just doing what makes what feels good for us. And we're hoping other people, but we don't expect people to thank us for doing something that we enjoy doing, because you're doing this because you enjoy it and for your daughter for Aiden, so you don't expect to get recognition. So when you do it does feel like weird. It's like, oh, okay, cool. No worries. Thank you. Yep. All right, and you make a joke out of and that's fine. But, you know, I'll keep telling you, I'm gonna keep writing now messages on your wall, and I'm gonna send you messages on Instagram and get you the best. You're the best.

Scott Benner 1:30:47
Thank you. Very nice. Thank you. Hey, listen, I feel horrible saying this at the end that I've contemplated not saying it but it's art and not Aidan.

Stacey 1:30:55
Oh, gosh, why did we go back and rerecord these I have to change your name to

I you serious, you let me go a whole hour and you didn't tell me. Jesus

Scott Benner 1:31:14
was having too much fun. And by the way, I think she was like that you don't know her name. Like that. It's not stuck. Like she. Like every time she comes on the podcast, I get a text that says your people are following me on Instagram. Can you tell them to stop? And I was like, I mean, not individually. I don't know how to do that. I was like, Don't I'm like your private. Like, just don't follow them back. And she's like, I don't know. Like okay, so but I love her. She calls them my people. She's like your, your people. Oh, by the way. If you haven't seen it yet, someone turned me into a Christmas ornament. Wait on Etsy, Etsy, Etsy. How do I say Etsy? Etsy? Etsy? Yeah, they're like, like wooden clothes pins in felt clothing with a Juicebox Podcast shirt on holding a Dexcom receiver. And it's, it's, I gotta tell you, it's it's amazing. And it's freaky at the same time. Like, like, I got a text from Isabel and she goes, I work for for a Christmas ornament. I said, you don't work for me. I don't pay you. She goes, You know what I mean? And, but it's, it's, it's amazing. Like, you have to find that it's on my Instagram right now. So you can go look when you're done. But he has someone turned me into a Christmas ornament. And I was touched by it. Like I really was. I thought, when I first saw it, I thought I must really reach farther than I think because this is this isn't this is an interesting thing for someone to do. And then I showed my son he goes, Yo man, one of these people is gonna murder you.

Stacey 1:33:05
That is so true.

Scott Benner 1:33:08
It was like what he goes that some serial killer right there. He's like, Look at this. And it was just one of them. But then I I let her like I let her put it up on the Facebook group. And I guess people ordered them. So then she sent me a picture of like, eight of them together. I was like, oh my god, people are buying these. And then I got then Stacey, I had this thought I was like, she better send me one. And I don't want to have to ask for it. You know what I mean, Stacy, like somebody better just reach out to me and say, How do I get you one of these? Because I'm not taking any cut of the sale? And I think she's charging like over $20 for them.

Stacey 1:33:41
She better get on flow, or get on? Maybe she

Scott Benner 1:33:48
No, I'm not gonna tell you. But I would love I would like out. Do you know if I hung this on my Christmas tree? It's possible my family would burn the tree.

Stacey 1:34:01
Then the trade down will disown you.

Scott Benner 1:34:03
A woman asked me yesterday. She's like, how do I use these if I'm Jewish? And I said I would use a pipe cleaner and have it hanging off the menorah candle. I think it would be amazing. Anyway,

Stacey 1:34:14
all right, please like you wait and see what I'm gonna do on the face on your Facebook page.

Scott Benner 1:34:20
Yeah, I mean, it has not been offered yet. Maybe she's just doesn't want to impose. But I mean, at this point, I'd like one. And I like I like that. She made me thin too. I think it's fantastic.

Stacey 1:34:31
Can you Did you hear that? That was my Dexcom going off.

Scott Benner 1:34:34
I heard that. It's trying to tell you there's a shark coming?

Stacey 1:34:36
No, see, he always goes up at this time.

Scott Benner 1:34:41
Your blood sugar goes up at this time of night always.

Stacey 1:34:43
Yeah, we've just hit 10.3 Why don't you

Scott Benner 1:34:47
set a Basal rate an hour before when it usually goes up and try to stop it.

Stacey 1:34:52
Because I've been monitoring it and I've just increased all my Basal rates and it's still like it's just gone up and I don't understand why

Scott Benner 1:35:00
Alright, listen, I hear what you're saying. i It's maddening. It is maddening.

Stacey 1:35:07
It's frustrating. We took

Scott Benner 1:35:09
art into college. Her settings were rock solid. I have no idea what happened. But suddenly her settings were way too strong. We had to cut them in half like no lie her Basal went from like one or 1.1 an hour to like point six, her insulin sensitivity from 42 to 70. And then four or five days later, her blood sugar started going up again. And so we we were scared to like I was scammed We Who the hell's Wait, it was me. I didn't want to my talking about. And so I didn't want to put it all the way back up because I got scared. So I kept moving it up incrementally. And finally, like two nights ago, I texted and I was like, hey, FaceTime me and share your screen with me. I'm like, we're putting every one of your settings back to where it was before you got to college. And we put them all back and last night and today we're finally back to what we were used to looking at. So I and trust me if she was here, I would have done it quicker. But there were so many new things happening. I was a little happier for it to be higher than lower while we were figuring stuff out. So she had a really bad time of the first few weeks of school. Okay, because because of a roommate thing, which I don't think I'm gonna be able to talk about on here. But yeah, things are kind of getting better now. So

Stacey 1:36:25
anyway, all right, as long as they are getting better. That's all that matters, Stacy. I

Scott Benner 1:36:29
gotta go. I gotta jump in the shower because I'm interviewing a guy from Dexcom in an hour and a half about the g7.

Stacey 1:36:34
Isn't he lucky? All right. Well, I can't wait to hear that one as well. Thanks. Thanks. You

Scott Benner 1:36:38
have a great night.

Stacey 1:36:39
Thank you. So you

Scott Benner 1:36:47
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