#827 This Is The Game

January 18, 2023Scott Benner

Patty's adopted child has type 1 diabetes.

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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello friends, and welcome to episode 827 of the Juicebox Podcast.

Today, we're going to be speaking with Patty. She's the mother of some children, one of them is adopted, that adopted child happens to get type one diabetes. We start talking about that, and then something comes up, and Patty caught me on a strange day. So the conversation took a pretty wild left turn. While you're listening, please remember that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan or becoming bold with insulin. If you have type one diabetes, or the caregiver of someone with type one and live in the United States, you can take a survey that will take you less than 10 minutes. And this survey is going to help people living with diabetes. You can find it at t one D exchange.org. Forward slash juicebox is a great organization. I've done a couple of episodes with them if you want to know what they do, you know, head back and find their episode. But this this survey is easy. It's HIPAA compliant. It's anonymous, and it's really going to help T one D exchange.org. Forward slash juicebox. This episode of The Juicebox Podcast is brought to you by Dexcom, makers of the Dexcom G six and Dexcom G seven continuous glucose monitoring systems. Find out more and get started today@dexcom.com forward slash Juicebox. Podcast is also sponsored today by U S med. US med is the place where we get our diabetes supplies. And so can you us med.com forward slash juice box or call 888-721-1514 Call or go online and get started today.

Patty 2:17
My name is Patty and I am a mom of two kids. I have an eight year old and a three year old and my eight year old is my type one. She is eight years old going to be nine and she is my adopted child.

Scott Benner 2:30
Okay, so Patti, I've made it an error here. I have not brought my whiteboard on to the desk. Hold on. You're gonna hear some noise, I apologize. This is how my brain keeps up with what's happening because I'm getting older. Let me just, oh, I'm gonna erase a Frezza. So yes, there's an episode on the Frezza coming up. And all this other stuff here. And then we're gonna say Patti has two kids ones 81618133. This is why we write things down three. Which one's the adopted one with type one?

Patty 3:09
The eight year old?

Scott Benner 3:13
Did she have type one when you adopted her?

Patty 3:17
So no. We adopted her at birth. And I knew some medical history. I did. It is an open adoption. So I do have some sort of relationship with biological mom and biological family. But no, I wasn't made aware of any type one history or anything like that. When we adopted her, like I said at birth on the very first day, I was the first person to hold her. And 16 months 16 months later is when she was diagnosed with type one.

Scott Benner 3:50
Wow. That's crazy. How old were you at that time.

Patty 3:54
I'm 38. So we are what we consider a really old parents. We we struggled about 10 years trying to get pregnant. We did three cycles of IVF. We did all of the natural medicines, the Western, the Eastern, everything we could think of and nothing obviously turned out we had a couple of miscarriages. And then in our third going into our third IVF cycle was when we looked at each other and said, you know we want to have a family and it doesn't really matter how that happens. So we're ready. If this cycle doesn't take then we will look into adoption. So around that time Yeah, I we connected with an adoption lawyer and he walked us through the process and it was just a fast the fastest thing I mean faster than any fertility treatment we find with January and in March. I matched with a birth mom. And then and then my daughter was born in June so it was really super super fast, it was like six months of being what they call paper pregnant, which I really don't like the term. But anyway,

Scott Benner 5:08
how long did you try the rest of the stuff? How many rounds of IVF? Did you do?

Patty 5:12
It was three, we started when I was about 28. So it was a good 10 years of just not a, you're not getting any answers, just kind of going through the motions of all of the fertility treatments. And at the end of it, we were just told, you know, your embryos suck, you know, they're not really good. They're, you know, this one died off, you know, blah, blah, blah. And there wasn't anything that they could tell me that was going, that was off with my husband, there wasn't anything really wrong with me, it was just kind of luck of the draw. And, you know, we had a couple of good embryos that took but none of them that, you know, advanced far enough that they made a baby. So we were really frustrated, and then spent a lot of money going through this process. And we just said, you know, we missed it. We can't do this anymore. We want to have a family. We're getting older. And, and that's when we looked through looked at adoption, how old we really were.

Scott Benner 6:10
Oh, go ahead. No, I just want to know how old you are when you got married.

Patty 6:14
So I, we got married when I was 21. So I've known my husband, since we were 1314 years old. We have known each other for like, it seems like an eternity, honestly. And we're we're going to be celebrating our 25th wedding anniversary this year. And it's just it's been it's crazy. So we got married super young. And, and we traveled a lot before we wanted to have kids. And sometimes we think we waited too long, because we were just older when we started trying but whatever the case was, we just you know, that's where a young couple

Scott Benner 6:48
you certainly were. Wow, you probably all that time are so proud of yourself for not getting pregnant while you were young and having sex and now you realize that wasn't even going to happen. Fortunately, condoms wasted batty.

Patty 7:09
In my mind, I was just going to be able to stop birth control and say, Oh, it's time and it was just magically going to happen. That's really what was in my head. Like, all I had to do is just think it and it was gonna happen and I was so not even close to what was gonna happen. So

Scott Benner 7:25
can I ask you Can we talk about it for another second? Can I? I'd be interested to know. I mean, what does it feel like the the time being you realize like, I can't, like, I'm not going to have a baby like this like is it? What does it do to you kind of psychologically.

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Patty 12:19
It's really heavy. And you know, it's interesting because you know reaching out to you finally listening to your podcasts and all of those things, even though not directly related to adoption, but you know, just my daughter. It's been a lot and, and just recently, I think I've started to be able to talk about a little bit more because I'm sort of, in a way a private person, I don't really talk about my own personal life, I don't want to bring anybody down. I don't want to sit and cry and say, you know, fertility with infertility was really, really hard, you know, we couldn't get pregnant. But psychologically, it was it was really a lot. And I'm sure it caused a lot of issues in my marriage that came out in different ways. And really what we weren't talking about is just the frustration that we had of not getting pregnant, and everybody else around us getting pregnant. I mean, you know, every time we had a friend that announced that they were pregnant, I was super happy for them. But there was a part of you that is always sad is always sad that it's not you and that you're not getting celebrated. And when is it going to be my time and? Super, super hard? So yeah, yeah, I think

Scott Benner 13:28
I believe I understand. I mean, did it. Do you think that in hindsight, did it make your relationship stronger? Or did it mean it? I'm assuming it tested you a couple different ways? So or, or can you not look back on it and see it as anything positive?

Patty 13:43
Oh, I think it is. I think all of it is, for me, not to be cliche, but all of it was for a reason. I do think it makes us It made us stronger. Not just this but then diabetes and adoption and then now getting pregnant naturally with my son because it was a total shock and surprise, six years after Isabella was born. All of it, you know, was I guess those are just the layers of foundation that we needed to build a stronger marriage and that we look at each other and we're like, we're stuck with each other. We're not going anywhere. We have two kids, one with diabetes, you're not going anywhere. I'm not going anywhere. So

Scott Benner 14:22
got what you wished for Patti? Congratulations.

Patty 14:28
All my dreams are coming.

Scott Benner 14:32
That is a perfectly spoken statement with the right inflection and tone from a person who's been married for 25 years. So I got what I asked for. Here we go. No one's leaving. If anyone's getting out of this it's gonna be me.

Patty 14:49
exactly know where we're stuck. We look at each other all the time. Every time we like had some sort of argument or chip. We're like, sorry, you know, we're gonna have to get over it and move on because there's no there's no going back. So we have

Scott Benner 14:59
time. On the similarities to where you married in 96. I got married in 9797. So I'm married in 96. I've been married for 25 years. My wife was 21 when we got married. Really? Yes, I'm adopted.

Patty 15:15
I knew that right.

Scott Benner 15:16
I mean, I think we're gonna find out soon that you live across the street from me if we keep talking long enough. So what? So

Patty 15:23
I have an idea of where you are. And I don't think we're anywhere close. I'm in Los Angeles, Southern California.

Scott Benner 15:29
I'm not there. Like the people have an idea of where I am just, I mean, you know what I like, whatever. That lady sent me those big pop ones. They were amazing. Actually, if you're listening, send more cakepops that I love. But it I mean, so I was, I wasn't adopted on day one. But I mean, it was very close. I think I was only alive a couple of weeks before my parents had me. There was the 70s. Like they, you know, I was probably living in a box outside of a firehouse or something like that, like who would know? And but it wasn't, it wasn't when my parents were like, in the system, looking for a baby. You know, I guess it was different the way it happened back then. So it's really crazy. Oh, did you? Oh, how Isabelle. Right? Is your is your daughter's name? Isabella Isabella. Isabella, did you tell her she was adopted? How early? Or does she not know?

Patty 16:27
Now she knows. She we've been trying at different stages of her life to just share the story as appropriate, as much as she can understand. So yes, she knows we have an agreement that are that we made through our adoption that we were going to keep, like I said, an open adoption. And we were going to try to establish a relationship with biological mom, they are not really near us. But we had said, pre COVID that we are going to try and visit each other every other year. That hasn't happened in a few years, because of COVID. The last time that she really saw that we saw each other was when she was one right before she was diagnosed. So she does know. And she's coming to the age right now where she's asking a lot of questions, a lot of the hard questions about you know, why, why this happened? You know, just the whole story. So we have to keep reminding her and telling her the story again, over and over. Um, it was very different when she was a baby, you know, it was very sweet. And oh, we chose you. And of course, that's the truth. But now she wants once real answers. And she's also asking about no extended family, like hurt their side of the family. She does have half siblings. So it's hard. It's a difficult thing. But I know. I mean, at least all the books tell me and everyone tells me that it's just better for her that she doesn't know as much information as I can give her as she gets older. So

Scott Benner 17:56
it's interesting the level of curiosity and how it vacillates because I never cared about any of that. It nearly never growing I'd never I've always known I'm adopted. I've never once thought about like who those other people may or may not be. I've never thought of my mom and dad is not my mom and dad. Even my parents got divorced. And I still I wasn't like, well, at least he wasn't my real dad. Like, I didn't have any of those feelings. You know, when we were first married. Kelly, my wife wanted to like medical information, she kind of she she gently suggested and insisted that we find out about my, my, my birth mother. And we were able to locate, but she was passed already. And and I got to speak though, I got to speak to one of her sisters for a few hours. And when I got off the phone, my wife's like, well, and I'm like, Well, hey, I'm never talking to those people again. And it was just not. It was not an uplifting experience for me. And, and and you know, so I learned a little bit, but the one thing like I don't think I'll ever forget is that that her sister said she regretted giving you up every day of her life. And I thought, oh, that's sad. And then, you know, like, and then but I didn't have that feeling of like, Oh, my mom is sad. I just thought like, I don't see her that way. So even just think yeah, I mean, I'm not unaware. I just like my parents. You know, they were there for me. They took care of me and they're my parents. Like I don't I don't really care. And can I tell you to I loved being adopted? Really? I I love this. I might have a streak in me about something but I loved not being attached to anybody's history. I loved I loved feeling like I was the like the beginning of it, and that I could decide if I was religious. Or if I was like everything like I got to figure it out and be who I wanted to be bomb myself without a bunch of people telling me, we do this on Sunday, or we do this at Christmas, or this is how it goes like I just I love that. I don't know. Gotcha.

Patty 20:09
i It's interesting that you that you kind of thought that you are? Well, you did that you had that freedom just because you weren't biologically attached to. Yeah, because I

Scott Benner 20:19
wasn't attached to those people either as like, I don't have to their bull crap either. Because like, they basically rented me long term. And so what I ended up doing through my life is I would identify people that I appreciated. And if they had certain aspects of their personality that I thought were really laudable, I kind of used that as my teaching. And I don't know if I've said this before, but I worked with this old man one time, and he was just such a hard worker. And that's all I really remember about him. He worked really hard. I worked with a guy who had a great sense of humor, and even when his life was painful, he was pleasant to be around. And, you know, and on and on. And as I met people like that, I would, I would identify and say, well, that's a, that's a trait that I would like to have, like, I think that's really and I sort of got the build myself out of spare parts. I feel like so

Patty 21:13
interesting. Yeah. I mean, I hope that Isabella, I mean, I would hope that she would grow up to I don't know, I actually really don't know I, but I hope for her, but I do every day have to work at just making sure that she knows she is loved, and even loved more. So just because I feel like you know, there is a whole family out there that chose this for her because they knew they could not take care of her. They knew at that moment that their situation was so dire that they needed, you know her to have the life that you know, that she should have. And I just hope that she realizes that one day. And I think going into the teenage years. I mean, we're like pre preteen right now that she can appreciate that one day, and I don't want to tell her that I just want her to come to that conclusion on our own.

Scott Benner 22:06
Everybody has to feel like some part of the gap like my I have my father's mother was the person I was closest with growing up. And she always had, like, she was just telling me to my face. She'd be like, Look, you're adopted, that's hard, you know, and so and so she could I always she tried harder with me, she was closer with me than she was with my with my other cousins who she was all related to by blood. Like she was she was very careful to, to support me even like in the 70s and 80s. When you wouldn't think like, you know, people, children were still feral back then you don't I mean, nobody cares. They're like, Listen, if it doesn't die, we did it. Like perfect. Yeah. So my grandmother was like that. And I was comforted by that I felt always the closest to her. And then from there, I just, I don't know, like, the one thing I would tell you. I'm gonna make you sad. I don't want to make you sad. But when, when things would happen in the house, where I grew up, my parents and later my brothers who much like you another thing we have in common, I guess my mom just suddenly could make babies after they adopted somebody. So that something would happen, it wouldn't matter what it was. And they would all have a similar reaction to it, or a thought about it, or, you know, a plan to move forward. And mine were always different. And so I was I just knew I was different than they were, huh. So I never felt the pressure to be like, Oh, they think this I have to think this to Interesting, interesting anyway, that's not why you're here.

Patty 23:49
No, I mean, I am a you know, I honestly, all of this is, I don't know it's coming of age. I'm having like this, this midlife crisis, maybe I have no idea but where all of a sudden I am wanting to talk about it. Like I said, I reached out to you. You know, it sounds so corny, but I keep thinking of this song, one of my favorite bands. And one of his lyrics is like, I have a scar I can certainly talk about and these are all like things I can finally talk about. I haven't talked about them to anyone really here to, to my best friends obviously. And and, you know, I talk about it sometimes to Scott, but he like loses patients really quickly. Like moving on. But you know, I just think that I am here for those reasons and obviously type one reasons but it feels good. It feels good to finally get it all out.

Scott Benner 24:39
I'm glad for you. And there's nobody better to tell than me. So because I mean who would you not tell but it's strange to listen to your ears. person you wouldn't know if you walked into them in a grocery store. You'd be like, Excuse me, keep on walking. So, what do you think made you want to start talking about it more

Patty 25:02
I think being in this pandemic and being so, you know, I guess all together all the time, and really watching Isabella's numbers all day long, and adjusting and doing all of the things that were frustrating me and like, I'm like, you know, I should just be a full time nurse, you know, how is the nurse when she goes back to school is going to be able to do all of this, I need to do better, because I'm not doing as good of a job as I want to be. And to be honest, I listened to your podcast, I think when Isabella was diagnosed back in 2014, I think it was just getting started. If I'm not mistaken, or no, or maybe you were some years into it. No, I

Scott Benner 25:43
started the I started in January of 2015. So you did okay, you might have even been on the blog earlier, it's possible,

Patty 25:51
I might have, I remember hearing about your blog. And I think I heard a couple episodes early on. But at that time, I was just so in this terrified state of, of everything you know, of what people talk about on your podcast all the time, just, you know, of her going too low of her, you know, dying in her sleep, I would ask her endocrinologist and say, Is she going to die in our sleep, am I going to wake up, and she's not going to be there, because that is what I'm terrified of. And it took me so long to not be so scared. And then being in the pandemic, and seeing all of this going on. So you know, just every single minute, I said, I have to do better. And that's when I started listening again to you. Because it took me a long time to get back to the podcast and really be able to take in the information and not be so scared.

Scott Benner 26:38
It was the span of time between you finding it and then actually being able to listen to it.

Patty 26:45
Finding at first when she was diagnosed, because I think I heard early on probably if you started in 2015, she got diagnosed in 2014. And I remember hearing about it first through her friend and to our endocrinologist office. So that was just maybe a year and a half into diagnosis. And then pandemic that was just a few years ago. So she's already with five. So she you know, we've been living with it from for five years. And that's when finally I think it started clicking for me and being able to adjust and you know, and mess with my settings and all of that really just motivated me to do a better job and start really focusing on what you were talking about what your guests were talking about. And starting to just take more of I mean just being less afraid. I was always afraid and I don't really understand

Scott Benner 27:41
Patti, you're going Hello Patti if you can hear me I cannot hear you well obviously the ads going here comes the music. But I'll put the actual music in here. We're gonna have to find Patty searching for Patty will be very back. She was trying to understand she's still on she's just not here petty petty petty, petty, petty, petty, petty petty. What the dealio I'm gonna have this COP this. And she's got you know what? I bet you're her headphone died. Patty. Patty cake, patty cake. Does everyone know that one? Right. But does patty cake patty cake, baker's man Bake me a cake as fast as you can. See, roll it. Pat it No kidding. That might be where the patty cake comes from. And mark it with the like, use your letter. I'll use my s. And then you put it in the oven for Paddy and me. Is that is that the thing you do with babies? I think I remember that. All right. Patty has been hit by a meteor. We'll be right back.

Patty 29:06
Oh my gosh.

Scott Benner 29:08
How do you when I was growing up? I lived thinking that California was going to fall into the ocean. And I thought could it have happened while I was recording with Patti. But no, you're here. You're so not sure what happened. But Hi. Hi. You said I'm so sorry. Be sorry. It was a perfect place to put the ads.

Patty 29:28
I figured I figured that you were gonna say Oh,

Scott Benner 29:32
then I went over patty cake. And I tried to remember that. And then then you're who you are again. So you were having a hard time. Understand and then you're gone.

Patty 29:44
Understanding just why I was so afraid for so long. And why I avoided listening to the podcast or any sort of advice that was not my doctors. I still don't quite understand why. But now I feel better. You know, I feel You know, her agencies is lowering. I'm just getting a better sense of everything. And now I'm like a daily listener all the time. And so it's just, it's, it's an odd thing that happened, I think just by being here, altogether, and just realizing that I wasn't doing a good enough job.

Scott Benner 30:19
So I love this story, because it gives me a ton of try to imagine that I started a thing in 2015, you found it. And it wasn't until 2020 That you're like, alright, I'll listen to it. And like, and I was still there, like, when you came back, you're like, the guy still there with the thing? That makes me happy. Because there, I mean, listen, I have no intention of stopping my podcast. But there are times where, you know, my life is very like, it's like content and numbers driven, right? Like, I need to see more downloads this week than I saw last week, I need to see more this month than I saw last month, like I have to keep it growing for business reasons where I can't keep it going, right. And then you have to keep the content fresh, and the conversations fresh, and the information needs to be strong and timely. And, and there are times where I'm like, like, the year will end and I'm like, I'm just gonna do it again. I guess like, like, you don't I mean, like, you're like, alright, I'll do it again. And it's daunting sometimes. But to think that, that it was there for you when you came back? I mean, honestly, you're talking and I thought like, this is all worth it just for Patty, like, yes.

Patty 31:32
Yeah, you've made my day. Thank you.

Scott Benner 31:34
Seriously, because you said earlier, like, Why did I just Why did I let myself be afraid for so long? There's, there's a ton of good reasons to be afraid. And it's not. I don't think it's that you stop being afraid. I think that it's you stop feeling the fear. Like you don't even like you know, it's still there. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's like swimming, diabetes is sort of like swimming with sharks. Like, you know, like, I don't swim with sharks, I wouldn't get in the water, because I think I'm gonna get the water the sharks and eat me. But people do it constantly. They're aware of it, and they know how to manage it. And it's, and it works out and one of them lose an arm once in a while. But for the most part, it turns out, you can swim with sharks. And so, you know, diabetes is like, it's crazy, because I have a personal story that I want to tell you right now. But it's not ready to be in the public. And I'd literally have to trust you to never say anything to anybody for like six months. If you think you can do that. I'll keep talking. I can do it. All right, Patti. I'm not kidding. Okay. You and me until this episode comes out.

Patty 32:45
I promise. Okay. Okay. This past

Scott Benner 32:49
weekend. I can't believe I'm telling you this. I'm getting nervous. It will. So by the time people hear this, it will have been in the podcast somewhere else prior. Okay. But this past weekend, my daughter had her senior prom from high school on Saturday and my son had his college graduation on Sunday morning. It was literally one of the worst things that I thought had happened to me so far as a parent that my daughter couldn't come to my son's graduation. And we couldn't be home for her when she got home from her prom. Which was this all day event up early hair, makeup dresses, pictures, running around, go to the prom, do a red carpet, get on a bus go to the event, eat dance leave the event, they take the kids to some like locked down sport zone laser tag place. Overnight, they keep them there till four in the morning. To me this sounds like they are trying to keep them off of drugs, alcohol and sex. They were trying to exhaust them. My daughter gets home at five o'clock gets in the car comes home with her friends who are going to sleep at my house because we're not there. And we had been planning the whole time that somebody should be with her, you know, after a big day like that. And probably my wife and I stayed to do the red carpet. And we probably left our state around seven at night and drove three hours to where my son is. We got we went and found him saw him for an hour went to a hotel where all jacked up, couldn't fall asleep finally fell asleep at like two o'clock. At two o'clock. I took a screenshot of Arden's blood sugar because the 24 hours prior were so good. I actually thought to myself, This is amazing. Well, I go to sleep at two at three o'clock they decided to have french toast sticks. She Bolus for them pretty well. I mean, I didn't I didn't see her like in hindsight, do anything I wouldn't have done. Four o'clock, five o'clock, she actually spiked a little bit texted with us and we said hey, maybe you should have Bolus here and she looked at it and said now you know what this looks like. It's coming down. I'm not going to Bolus and about an hour and a half later we got a low alarm. And we woke up called Arden she drank a juice, or her blood sugar was not dangerously low as far as we could tell. We did everything we thought we were going, we would have done like if I was there, I did everything. The only thing that I wasn't aware of was the meal at 3am. Okay. A half an hour later, I wake up seven o'clock, my son sends us text. Hey, I got we got your great seats. I got shade blah, blah, blah. Super excited. I get up I go to the bathroom. I standing in the bathroom in the Holiday Inn Express Patti, naked. No one picture that, okay. I'm looking looking for my toothbrush and you know, trying to figure out everything I'm about to do. And I think to myself, let me look at Arden's blood sugar one more time before I get in the shower. And artists Dexcom indicated that she was low l o w. I looked at the graph, and the graph had been steadily low, since she drank the juice. And I thought that's not good. And I picked the phone up and I called her and she answered the same way she's ever answered me waking up from asleep. She's like, hello, like very like that. And I'm like, Hey, Arden, you're pretty low, still, let's do another juice. And then she pauses and goes, I can't. And I'm like, No, it's right. Next year, we set it all up where you're sleeping. And she goes, and she goes, I can't. And in that moment I thought Arden's about to have a seizure. Oh my god given me the chills and I was like, Arden you're gonna have a seizure. Get up find juice right now y'all for the girls. And she's like, she goes, I'm jumping. And her vision was going in and out.

Patty 36:47
Oh my god. So

Scott Benner 36:50
I don't know if she said skipping or jumping. I'm not sure I think jumping maybe. And and then I was that was it. I was like, okay, she's those girls aren't awake. Arden can't help herself. And I started yelling into the phone, art and you're having a seizure, drink a juice art and you're having a seizure drink a juice call for the girls yell Nadia's name y'all lives named say Sondra and she's like, I can't I can't, I can't and then she was gone. And then, just as that happened, I heard her friend naughtiest voice she's like, I'm here. What do I do? And I said, um, like, go get the glucagon. So she went to get the the G voc hypo pen she got that brought it back and I said, Nadia, let's try one time with juice before we give her the glucagon. I was like, Can she drink a juice? And the other I heard another voice say I have a juice and like they. They said she's drinking it. And I was like, okay, good. Good. Good, right. So I don't know what's happening. I can't see anything. And so I'm just like she's drinking it. Yeah. And then she starts to come back a little bit. And I said, As soon as she can just hammer that juice down, like Have her drink at all. So I find out later subsequently, hours and hours later, she couldn't drink the juice. They were squirting it in her mouth like a little fire. Yeah, she was had I known that I would have gone right to the glucagon. But she was she was so she absorbed enough of it through her cheeks that it brought her back. I don't think that this part of the incident lasted more than two minutes. But I do believe she may have been lower than the CGM said probably for a couple hours. And so they get her they get her around, she hammers down some juice. She I said, you know, we need to put something in her stomach. It's gonna stay there. Like just go get her a piece of bread. She's not going to want to eat. She you know, she ate the bread. She had a couple of gummy bears that we have around the house that hit her really hard. And we finally got her up into the 60s, I taught the girls how to test her blood sugar over the phone. And then they kept testing and verifying. And then I stopped. And I was like, I have to go to my son's graduation. Like I'm still naked in the Holiday Inn Express. My wife was sleeping still like I drew the short straw on taking the first shower in the morning. And so I walked out into the hotel and Kelly goes, What are you yelling at? And I said, Arjun just had a seizure. I stopped it. And she snapped her hops up. She's like, What am I She's okay. And I was like, but I gotta get in the shower. We're going to be late. So I showered real quickly called the girls back kept talking to them. They were amazing. These girls were just stunning and how they handled everything. Arden was joking again a couple minutes later, she immediately sent her one of her teachers an email and said, Hey, I just had a seizure. Can I get out of my homework on Monday because I don't want to be able to do it today. She later realized she just told me like 12 hours later, at the moment, she thought she was being responsible. And then they couldn't sleep. Right? They were they stayed so now they're up for 36 hours. We don't get home for like 12 hours after this happened. And you know they're they're good Arden Still, she's shocked still but she's she's okay. She's bolusing for her food she put on the pod five on the Hill for the first time the night after that happened like she's not daunted. She's still a little shocked, but she's not. She's not daunted. We had a long conversation about it. I talked to her the entire ride home for like two hours. And she said something. I was so thoughtful about diabetes. She said, um, oh, and I don't use these words around her, which is really interesting. Very often. She goes, I know I do the right thing. She's like, I'm not worried about what I just because there were just so many new variables that day. I think that's what got me. And then I was like, yeah, so I told her I thought we were she probably had a ton of adrenaline. And we were doing great all day. Like, I swear to God, her blood sugar was just terrific all day. And the adrenaline was proud. So we probably too much activity and heat. And then, but the adrenaline was making the insulin look like it was working well, I guess. And then I think she either should have not Bolus for the french toast sticks. Or we could have 10 things down. But even looking back, she was on loop at that point. And the loop had taken her basil away for hours before this happened. Like it was trying. It was trying. And I put I put a juice and on top of that. Now why do I tell you this here in this episode, Patty, when I had zero expectation about talking about? This is why

Patty 41:31
you're ready. Do you want me to tell you?

Scott Benner 41:33
You tell me why you think I told you and then I'll tell you if you if you're right.

Patty 41:38
Because we're never not afraid. But

Scott Benner 41:40
how am I today? You're fine. I'm fine. I am not scared. Not scared. I am not scared. Arden is going to college the way she was supposed to. Nothing has changed. Arden has type one diabetes, she uses manmade insulin. And this part of the game. Yeah, it just is. And if you can't see that, you're gonna be scared your whole life. So well.

Patty 42:09
My takeaway is that she's not Isabelle is not going to prom and just letting you know prom. No problem for you.

Scott Benner 42:18
Honestly, it would have been better if hard just had sex and drugs after the prom.

Patty 42:25
But french toast sticks.

Scott Benner 42:27
Evil Yeah. I was about to say something completely inappropriate. But yeah. But yeah, the french toast sticks ended up being the problem. It's just, you know, look, I'm not gonna tell you. I wasn't scared. But I did in that moment. Exactly what I would tell you guys to do. I thought about it like an astronaut. Like, there's a line of things in front of me trying to kill me. I'm going to stop the one that's as close as it is. And then I'm going to move to the next one. And I'm going to speak slowly and calmly. Because if I panic right now, something bad's gonna happen to her. And if that girl wouldn't have got up and said, I'm here, what do I do? I was already moving towards my wife's phone to call 911. I was already calling a neighbor. I knew what I was going to do if it went one way. And I knew what I was going to do if it went another way. And I know that because I make this podcast and I have the conversations that you told me listening to are so valuable. I knew what to do when it happened. I'm going to tell you that when Arden was in getting ready to start kindergarten, I know I've told this story before but I went to the school to start prepping them before she even got there. And they laughed at me in the office and said, She's not even a student yet. I said, well, it doesn't matter. It's not that easy. You need to understand it before she gets here. And I told them the same thing year after year, that being ready doesn't mean being ready doesn't mean that you're going to stop a problem. Being ready means that you're going to know what to do when a problem arises. Because a problem is going to arise. And it is going to come when you don't expect it. We had been practicing for this for months. Arden stayed for days by herself in our house recently took care of herself beautifully. Not a problem. I don't looking back, she didn't do anything wrong. At that prom. It's just there was so much activity that it just it looked like it was holding up and then probably just like we talked about, she went to sleep and her body relaxed and all that excitement went away. And there was nothing there to hold up that that that insulin that was in there. So I'm going to tell you I'm not lying. I am not afraid today. But I am not afraid because I decided not to be afraid. Not because there's nothing scary. Of course.

Patty 44:49
I think that I'm coming too slowly to that realization or understanding of, of not being as afraid as I used to be just that it would You know, in the frozen state, because I don't want fear to freeze me and like, I've had situations where I've had, you know, she's been under the care of others. And other people have made mistakes, like, you know, given her nine units of insulin versus nine grams of carbs. And I've been in those situations and they have frozen me, I was frozen after she was diagnosed, like I couldn't function. I, it's, I spent about two to three weeks just lying on the floor, like literally lying on the floor next to him just crying. And I don't want to be there anymore. And I think I'm not there anymore. I think, obviously. And so I, that's why listening to your podcast, and just talking about all these things. And talking about it too, with other people and other friends, has made me better and has made me more confident. We're trying to get we're on the Omnipod dash ourselves. And we're, I've been fighting and arguing and we're getting upset with people trying to figure out why we're not on the Omnipod five yet. But I know I'm it's it's pretty new. So we're just waiting. But yeah, it's definitely helped. And hearing that story, it makes me makes me sad, in a way it makes me it gives me chills in the sense that I don't, you know, I don't obviously want that to happen, but knowing that you can't absolutely plan for every single thing in life, and things are gonna happen. And you just have to be proactive. And

Scott Benner 46:26
how do you heard me cry on this podcast plenty of times. What I just described you happened 48 hours ago, I'm not crying. Like being alive is not for the faint of heart. You know, and, and having diabetes and using manmade insulin. It's, it is what it is. I mean, you all have to imagine I've made I mean, 700 episodes of this podcast, you don't think in my personal life, I don't think God someday something's going to happen to Arden. And I'm the guy with the podcast. And it happens that my kid, like, you know what I mean? Like, I can't stop it any more than, than any of you can. And it's going to happen. Like if you really step back and look at the confluence of things that had to happen, because if Arden would have just come home, and I was here, we would have talked, I would have tested her blood sugar, we would have looked at a couple of things, we would have made some adjustments. If she started getting low, I would have been there. And that wouldn't have happened. Right? But it just, I mean, really think about it. I had two children five years apart, and their college graduation and high school prom fell within the same 12 hours in two different states. How does that happen? The like, it's just, but she had friends here that was planned. She was sleeping next to juice boxes that was planned. All of those girls know how to use the diaper pen that was planned. Right? Like, all of that was planned. When I was faced with that problem. Everything that I said came right from the like, right from the stem of my brain. I didn't have to think of any of it. I knew what to do. And I knew in that moment that panicking is the only thing I could do wrong. Because I know the steps. Just take the steps do the thing. It's going to be okay. And by the way, she was talking 30 seconds before this. We're going to get her back out of this again, like we are she already had I could I was standing there thinking she had a juice an hour ago, she drifted down really slow. She's probably just lower than we thought she was. There's a juice in there, we're going to put in another juice. This is going to be okay. Now let me tell you, it ruined the next. You know, the next two days of her life, she still got a headache, like a blow kind of background headache from it. She's a little nauseous still. It's just she was had a prolonged low. And this is i Jenny and I spoke about it Jenny's the only person who really knows. And you know, I've checked in Jenny's like, this is all incredibly normal like for afterwards and she's like it'll pass eventually. And Arden's okay. And she this is her reality. She shouldn't not know, just like your daughter should know she's adopted. You know what I mean? Like, you don't? Listen, I'm really good at diabetes. And I'm slowly passing off what I know, to Artem. But it's, she knows half of it. And I told her later I said, Listen, you gotta we have to sit down and I gotta give you the rest of it. I said, there are things that happen overnight, when I was sleeping, that if I was there, I would have known to do that you have no idea to even think about. And you know, it's and you're gonna learn it. But if I expect her to look like I'm 50 Batty, how much longer can I go? You know what I mean? So even if i You're a lovely, even if I make it to 70 I'm going to be useless. All right. And I mean, my mom's 79 Be honest with you in 10 years, you know, generally added much to the party. And so like, you know, even if that happens to me, right art is only going to be 38 When I'm 70. So if I, if I want Arden to be 70, then she's going to have to have these experiences so she knows how to handle them. Yeah, and this is an experience nobody wants to have. And I'm not saying everyone's ever gonna have it. But more of you that are listening than not are going to experience a scary low blood sugar at some point. And Medically speaking, if that's all that happened to heart, and I said to ordinary, you know, the medical community calls, what happened to you a low blood glucose event and she goes, it felt like a seizure. She's a little banged up, she kept she was running her elbow into a sofa, and it's so hard that it rubbed her elbow raw. She had sparkles like like diamonds in her nails. And she's like, scratched her forearms with her own, like the top. But other than that, she's okay. And I'll tell you what, last night, she's like, Can we sit down and look at my prom pictures? And I was like, Yeah, sure. She's like, Okay, so the only thing that can go wrong is, you know, dying. If you don't die, then everything else is manageable. Anyway, all right, Patti. Let's let's read dirt. You said Fear and you screwed up your own episode. So that's not not my fault. It's your fault.

Patty 51:21
Yeah, and you know what, I'm so afraid that it's gonna happen again. Because my this laptop is like it just like, what happened is it just all of a sudden, everything went away. And I don't know what what it's doing. It's like rebooting itself. I have no idea. Anyway,

Scott Benner 51:33
we're gonna be okay. So on top of all this fun for Isabella? She has she has ADHD.

Patty 51:40
Yes, she does. So she was diagnosed officially, when she was five right before the pandemic. And she was also diagnosed with odd, which is oppositional defiant disorder. So that's lovely. And, you know, I just heard one of your podcast episodes with a mom on there that she was saying how her daughter was very had a very spicy attitude sounds just like Isabella. But it was related to blood sugars. And I thought that that was the case, you know, because early on, we saw this attitude, even like, get one. And I thought, Oh, well, we're gonna get blood sugar's under control, everything's gonna be fine. It wasn't the spicy attitude and the defiant attitude, the very, the all the personality traits that you really, really hope are going to serve her later in life are still there. But yeah, she was diagnosed with ADHD. And so we went, we shut down obviously, for COVID. And so she was home all day long every day. And so we saw the whole range of her attitude and behavior. She's now on medication for ADHD. And she's gone back to school, she went back to school in December. And things at school are really great. I think the medication really helps her focus, and you know, and comply and she listens to her teacher. But once she's home, it's a whole different ballgame. It's like all of that release of, I don't know, emotions, and behavior is all saved for us. So we're really lucky.

Scott Benner 53:17
Did you ever Google this anti an attention deficit hyperactivity disorder has been associated with several autoimmune diseases?

Patty 53:25
I think I have. Yeah,

Scott Benner 53:28
I It's incredibly interesting. And it was the other odd,

Patty 53:32
odd is Oppositional Defiant Disorder, disorder, or Yeah.

Scott Benner 53:38
And she's doing better now with the medication.

Patty 53:41
She's doing better with her ADHD. So the ADHD just helps her focus and not be so distracted, because she has a really hard time. Like, she's the type of kid that you know, you see a gnat, flying around buzzing around and you will focus on the net, or, you know, the PISA dust or whatever the case may be. So I knew it was going to affect her school, because you need to be able to focus and, you know, pay attention. So that has really, really helped. But it doesn't help her with her behavior at home. It doesn't help us help us at all with like, her being more compliant are listening. And that is, I think that right now is the most challenging piece in parenthood right now with her age is just that I really want her to be a little bit more compliant in order for her to learn some things that she needs to know about diabetes, because she's very dependent on this. And I know that at her age, she should start being a little bit more independent, like I should be able to, like I think one of your earlier episodes was how you texted art in second grade. I think it was second grade, or third grade.

Scott Benner 54:44
Last year, second grade is the last time Arden was ever to the nurse because I figured out Yeah, yeah. So

Patty 54:49
Isabel is in second grade going into third in August and I just don't think she's ready. Like she I can't even imagine her being so focused enough for that. long enough to be able to text her or do something about her diabetes, or take a juice or, you know, or even dose herself. She's not at that point. And I really wish she was. But I know it has a lot to do with this. Outside stuff, the ADHD, the odd and I think it'll just take her a little bit longer.

Scott Benner 55:17
To ask a hard question. Do you find that it's difficult to be demanding of her because she's adopted?

Patty 55:26
No, I don't, I feel what the difference between the, in my mind about her being my adopted child is that I feel a tremendous sense of responsibility. Being a parent and doing right by her and just taking care of her like health, and being on top of all of this ADHD thing, not so much being like tough on her being, you know, discipline, because I think we're, we're pretty spot on with that. But it's just, I think it's always there's always something that I'm running up against that I feel like, I'm not doing a good enough job with just being an overall parent. And I have just this big guilt and feeling of just responsibility. And it weighs heavy on me. And you know, my other my son is only three, but he's has a very different personality. So I feel and I don't feel that sense of responsibility with him as much. I don't know why. But with her, I think that's what really affects me or parenting overall, but not not so much that I can't be hard on it. Because we are we really try to parent as much as possible.

Scott Benner 56:31
Let's so I you know, it's funny, I think back to something I said earlier about, you know, when when they're not yours, like from blood. Like you don't realize that there's things that like, you know, what I mean? Like there's things that you do that your son probably just jives with, because he's wired more similarly to you than not. And so you're almost talking to, it's almost like when I don't mean it like this, but it's almost like when you have something running very smooth in your house, then one of your kids friends comes in, and it's kind of a mess. And you're like, I wonder why that kid doesn't react to me the way my kids do. And it's because right there, they see things differently, you know, thank you. Yeah, but I think it's, I think you're doing it sounds like you're doing a terrific job. And I think you're doing what you can do, which is, you know, see, see the shortcomings address them. Just try to learn slowly. I mean, the odd is got to make everything more difficult, I would imagine.

Patty 57:27
Oh, it's yeah, there's some times in this house where things are going like kind of out of control crazy, just because it could be as simple as you know, just putting on like, a Dexcom, or, you know, putting on a new pod. And it's just like, if she flies off the handle, and I'm like, Oh my God, how long have we been doing this? Ella? We have been on Omni we've been on the pumps. And she was four. You know, and she's been on Dexcom since she was three it's it's like an every. This happens all the time. And you can't fight us on this all the time. But it's the same and it's it's it's really difficult. I think it does. It does create a real parent challenge. I had my husband and I are like we're parents. We're parenting on steroids. Not only is like do we have type one diabetes, we have all of this on top of it. And now we're bringing this whole like question about adoption into this pre teenage and then she's going to be a teenager. I mean, I don't know what's gonna happen.

Scott Benner 58:21
I know it's just gonna try as long as you can tell you can't you can walk right the Pacific Ocean if you

Patty 58:30
go back. Yeah, exactly.

Scott Benner 58:34
If I can swim to Hawaii and go on a vacation. If I can. I can. Oh, by the way, apparently, the sharks won't bother you. So you'll be fine.

Patty 58:40
We just wanted to show like an episode of I think it was Ozark. She checked herself in to a mental institution to get some sleep. And I was like, Wow, that sounds like an amazing thing to go do

Scott Benner 58:55
about where I'm at right now. It's about by the way, spoilers if you haven't watched those. It's

Patty 59:01
it's not really a spoiler. It's just part of them. I'm sorry. But you're not going to air this for a while. So hopefully by then everybody's watched it.

Scott Benner 59:08
Yeah. If you haven't seen Ozark by the time this comes out, then shame on you.

Patty 59:12
Exactly. Exactly.

Scott Benner 59:15
So now I'm sorry. So it also has hyperlipidemia

Patty 59:19
Oh, yeah. Yeah, she does. So I think it was about four or one of her routine endo checks where they do all the bloodwork. She came back with high cholesterol. So we kind of investigated and you know, when they had this run more tests, and they just attributed to genetics. They just said that some kids just have genetically higher lipids or whatever cholesterol counts. So she said she sees a cardiologist and we just had our cardiologists appointment about three weeks ago. You know, and her numbers are steady her triglycerides, which I think are the bad ones, but are highly variable. are lower. And they've, you know, they've lowered significantly, which is great news. But they also, like I said, are highly variable. So they could, it just depends on, you know, the time of day that she tested if she fasted eight hours versus 10 hours or whatnot. So the doctor doesn't want to put her on medication right now she's a little bit young for it. But in the future, we could be looking at something like that to just lower her overall cholesterol because they're concerned about heart problems, heart issues, especially with kids with type one, type one. And the cardiologist just mentioned that, obviously, the lower a wincy that we can get, the better. Odds are for cholesterol and just healthier. They're healthier overall, she can be. But it's something that we have to watch. And it's, she's such a thin girl, she's super petite. And you know, she doesn't eat poorly. But the things that she does love, like salt and butter are things that I'm like, Oh, I don't think that's really great for your cholesterol, but you're a kid, that's what you're supposed to eat. And then you know, I also want you to gain weight because you're a little bit on the skinnier side. And but it's just this whole cycle of things that I'm not supposed to do and try to watch. And

Scott Benner 1:01:10
it's hard to know when hard to know what to take. Seriously. I mean, salt. It's amazing, right? I mean, who doesn't want salt and butter? It just doesn't want letter. Exactly. Well, is there any? Is there any chance? So I mean, I'm looking it up here and it says it's chronic, it can last for years or be lifelong. I guess this one of these things they find because they're looking for it. Do you know what I mean by that?

Patty 1:01:35
I think it's just high cholesterol. Really, it's just a fancy name for high cholesterol, but I'm a child her age, you should not have high cholesterol. Gotcha. So it's something that appeared and, you know, was a red flag for endo and SAR endo just referred us to the cardiologist and, and now we have to see a cardiologist from every year. You know, he seemed like he was pleased with her recent results, but I just didn't worry, because I just think in the future, what if like, her diet isn't that great? Or, you know, like what happens when she's on another medication. And on top of everything, and I just obviously don't want her to be on so many things, but it is what it is. So we're just keeping an eye on it.

Scott Benner 1:02:18
I will share this with you as as the newly minted father of a college graduate.

Patty 1:02:24
It's graduation.

Scott Benner 1:02:26
Thank you, you congratulating me on not having to pay for his college anymore or graduate? So yeah, so it's, they're gonna become adults one day, and there's almost nothing you're gonna do after that. See, you're just you're you're, you're trying to point them to a path. And you're hoping they land on it, and keep going. Based on something you've said or done or help them with in the past? It's, it's, um, there's no way to know. And even you might not know, like, what she'll leave one day, it's so hard to think about, right? Like, she'll be an adult, and she'll move out and she'll go somewhere. And you really won't know like, I mean, are your parents alive? Yes. How often? Do you talk to them? Every day? I talked to my mom a lot. I texted my mom a lot. But some people don't. I know. I know. Some people just don't. I don't I don't think my wife speaks to her parents, like a handful of times a year, and it's very normal in their family.

Patty 1:03:29
I know. And it's yeah, it's pretty unique. When people ask me like, Where are your parents and my other five minutes away? How often do you see them? Pretty much every day?

Scott Benner 1:03:37
Yeah, it's just it's interesting, I guess my statement is, is that it's it's very interesting, looking backwards, what you think your job is when your kids are little versus what it actually is. And it's not something you figure out until they're older. And somebody can just explain it to you. So, I mean, you just do the best you can you make good decisions, you model well, and you hope that they pick up some of that as they move forward. Right? That's how I see it, I could be completely wrong. No, I

Patty 1:04:07
think you're right. I think you're right. And, you know, we just kind of I'm like, all I can do is worry for the next few years. I mean, I'm going to worry but I'm trying to do a better job of taking that worry and just using it for good energy versus like all of this like running around, not, you know, not doing a good job, I just have to move forward and get get it done and definitely have been doing better in the last couple years. So in a way that pandemic helped just for me to be able to see everything on a daily, daily daily basis. And now she's back at school, ya know, she's back at school. She's, you know, it's, it's kind of under good control. It seems like you know, I have a great relationship with our school team, their amazing teacher principal, or LPN, or nurse, everybody is just we all work in it as a team and everybody seems to be in agreement now. No, I'm not always gonna have that. But it seems like things are going okay, right now.

Scott Benner 1:05:05
Good. That's excellent. I mean, listen, I've known you for 45 minutes. It sounds like you're doing a terrific job. You're listening. We didn't even talk about the personal part where you like, you try so long to have a baby. And then you decide to, you know, adopt. And then 16 months later the kid gets diabetes.

Patty 1:05:24
We don't talk about that. That's the whole diagnosis story.

Scott Benner 1:05:28
But that's okay. No, but my point is, is that is that like, that's, you're a person, like you. You mean, how many times have you had build up expectations that have been dashed? And then you've, you've been flexible and readjusted, and then the next thing that happens, and you're like, What the heck, you don't I mean, like, like, I mean, it had to have been incredibly sad, and somewhat disappointing, to like, finally find a baby and then start medical problems immediately. Like, it just it's overwhelming, I would imagine.

Patty 1:06:02
Yeah, you're the second person that said that to me in the last week or so if they asked me if I was, you know, I was disappointed. Finding that out. And I think I was just, I was just so sad. It was a grieving process. I was, you know, I had this baby, this gorgeous little baby that was, you know, just plump and yummy. And, you know, and we were so excited over the moon being parents, and all of a sudden, I saw her over the course of two months, lose a lot of weight. And you know, and she was so little to begin with, and just see seeing her and get sick all the time, and not knowing what was happening. And then her getting diagnosed, I just watched her and I said, Wow, what happened to the baby that we had didn't have to worry about this. We didn't have to prick her finger like 678 times a day and wake her up at night to pick her fingers. Because we were doing it all the time. It just, it was a whole grieving process. And I didn't do well, I did not do well, if it wasn't for my husband, I think I don't know what would have happened because he's the one who took the reins and said, I can't let you continue like this, because someone has to take care of this situation. And y'all give you your time, but you better you know, it needs to be over quick. And so I think he gave me a couple, two or three weeks and just been a mess. And then I finally was, okay,

Scott Benner 1:07:21
sideline, get some oxygen, but I'm gonna need you back out here in a second. I mean, look, I mean, I don't know what could be a more human thing, if you can't even talk about the letdown because it's attached to a person that you love. But here I'll give you an example of it. From the from the other morning, in the middle of, of, you know, we had just stopped this seizure from like going full. I mean, she was having it, but it didn't get you know what I'm saying like it didn't have long to go and we got her right back out of it again. So now we're getting her together. In that time, I am not lying to you. While I was naked in the Holiday Inn Express bathroom talking to my daughter and her friends after this seizure had happened. I get a text from my brother 24 hours after my mom got the news that she was in remission. And it said mom has COVID Oh, and I'm standing in that bathroom in the text mom has COVID pops up to me. And I'm gonna tell you, here's what I thought it was a split second. But I thought, Could everybody who needs something from me just me alone for a second? Just a second, please. Because I'm just out here trying to see my son graduate already really disappointed that my daughter's not here. And now this is happening. And in the middle of that seizure. I had that conscious thought like, I need to stop this for her health and well being. But I also need to stop this. Because if I don't, I'm leaving right now. And I am not seeing my son graduate. And he's not even going to know why. Right? Like, I have to fix this right now. It's the it's like it was the parenting moment of all parents demos. I was like this can't go wrong. I have to get I there was a moment I felt like I willed her to be okay. You know, it was just it was insane. But then in the middle that mom has COVID I was like, Are you kidding me? Like, the floor gonna open up and I get swallowed into hell. Like when is that happening? Is that now like, you know, like, or am I gonna have a heart attack? Like, I don't want anybody find him naked in a Holiday Inn Express. You don't I mean, Patty stock it's not a good luck missing. They're gonna they're gonna think math right away, you know? And I don't need that. But the truth is, I'm gonna say I hope it doesn't sound I feel like I'm gonna sound like I'm bragging for a second but It all the things I've been through in my life when I was a kid and being adopted and growing up that way, and having a baby who has diabetes and all the things I've been through, I could not have been better positioned for what happened this weekend. I really just kicked its ass. It was it was really something like I was when it was all over. I was like, Wow, I'm like, this is like, the thing I tell people is actually what happened. You have to have these experiences over and over again. And they're most of them are not going to be pleasant. But one day, you're going to have that experience. You're going to really need it and it's going to come through for you. That is exactly what happened.

Patty 1:10:36
Yeah, yeah, that's true. That's, that's a good take on it. That all of these things are preparing you,

Scott Benner 1:10:43
Patty. It's the only it's the only thing because what's the opposite take is I run out into traffic. Okay, because like you can't like there's no other option. Right? Paddy, like you, you're gonna go on the sideline, take a breath. You gotta get back in the game, because what else you're gonna do? What else am I gonna do? I know, we're not gonna wish away their diabetes, or their add or whatever the hell else is gone with them. Like it's this is it. This is the game. You know what it is? Yeah.

Patty 1:11:10
It's like mad. We're in it.

Scott Benner 1:11:14
You were so funny. In the beginning, you were like, I've been married for 25 years.

Patty 1:11:19
I'll tell you this thing. Oh, oh, dear God. Wait for the sweet release of death?

Scott Benner 1:11:25
I know. I know. He will don't listen, I think if you stay in the game, it's a win. Yeah, I agree. A lot of people bail a lot of people do. I'm not. I'm not flooded by it at all. So this is what I signed up for. And I mean, you just like you, I didn't think, you know, I was gonna have to learn what hyperlipidemia meant, or type one diabetes. Like I didn't think I mean, if you think when my daughter was born, I was like, you know, one day, I'll probably have an incredibly popular diabetes podcast. I wasn't. I was like, Oh, I have a daughter. That's lovely. Like you don't even like anyway, all right, Patti. I gotta ask, is there anything we haven't talked about that we should have? No, I think that's it. I appreciate you listening to everything. I talked a lot, too. I apologize, Patti, you caught me on a bad day.

Patty 1:12:18
It? Is it a bad day? Or is it a good day?

Scott Benner 1:12:21
It's a good. It's a bad day, if you want to talk more. It's a good thing. Listen, the episodes, I think the episodes terrific. And it's just that you said when you went down the road of talking about not being afraid and and being afraid and not being able to be afraid. I was like, um, it's malpractice. If I don't tell you this story. You know what I mean? Yeah,

Patty 1:12:42
it is, I would have been very upset with you. And I would have thought Why didn't he just share that story at that time when I was talking about fear?

Scott Benner 1:12:50
Podcasts malpractice is what it would have been? Yeah, totally. I don't have podcasts, malpractice insurance. So I can't do that. You were terrific. I really appreciate this. I have to say I probably owe you another episode. So if you ever want to come back on in the future, you let me know.

Patty 1:13:08
Thank you. Yeah,

Scott Benner 1:13:09
I really did. You were very easy to talk to.

Patty 1:13:12
I'm glad I talk to a lot of people for you on a daily basis. Because your job? Yeah, I'm, I'm an education. So yeah, talk to a lot of people.

Scott Benner 1:13:25
You're very good. It was very easy to speak to you. So thank you very much. Thank

Patty 1:13:28
you. Thank you very much. I appreciate what you do. And then yeah, I will. I will look to come back on.

Scott Benner 1:13:35
Excellent. Good. Well, then we'll make it a date. Hold on one second for me.

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