#680 Zach and Nancy

May 11, 2022Scott Benner

Zach has type 1 diabetes, Nancy is his mom.

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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello friends, and welcome to episode 680 of the Juicebox Podcast.

Nancy is the mother to Zach. Zach has type one diabetes, and they're both here on the podcast today to chit chat with me. While you're listening, please remember that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your healthcare plan, or becoming bold with insulin. This episode came within a hair's breadth of being called golden doodle.

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Nancy 2:17
I will. I guess Go ahead. All right. Hi, I'm Nancy. I am the mom of Zack and about five years into T Wendy and just happy to talk to you.

Scott Benner 2:32
How old are you Zack?

Zach 2:34
I'm 14.

Scott Benner 2:36
You were diagnosed that nine.

Zach 2:39
I was diagnosed that eight eight.

Scott Benner 2:40
Okay. Just turned 14.

Zach 2:43
You Yeah, yes. This year.

Scott Benner 2:44
Happy birthday. Of course. Alright, well, let's go like this for a second. Zack, do you remember anything about being diagnosed?

Zach 2:56
I remember, whenever my mom found out about this, we were watching a movie. And I was going to the bathroom so much. And my mom was taking like this class on type two, and they gave the symptoms of type one. And so I was going up to the bathroom a lot. And then she No. She noticed that. And so right when we got home after the movie, we checked my blood sugar. I was 400 something. And that's that's it? Basically, I was just going to the bathroom a lot. Nothing serious. I didn't know at

Scott Benner 3:37
the time, Nancy, what made you Why are you looking into type two?

Nancy 3:40
Well, my mom had been diagnosed with type two for many years and just decided to take a class on her diet and how to possibly reverse some of it, you know, and and so I just went with her to support her and yeah, they were just talking about the signs and symptoms. And that week, which is the week before I my husband had also been diagnosed with type two and so I was like, You know what, I think we need to have a meter in the house since his doctor had never recommended he have one. So I bought one and just started recognizing some of the symptoms.

Scott Benner 4:29
What Nancy what movie were you watching? Zachary

Zach 4:34
what was it? Batman vs. Superman? Yeah.

Scott Benner 4:39
Do you remember the movie at all?

Zach 4:42
Fate like some parts? I don't remember because I had to get

Scott Benner 4:46
up. Also wasn't a great movie. Yeah. At least it didn't ruin their wisdom. When Arden was diagnosed. My daughter was diagnosed a long time ago. Zach she was two and that was 2006 And back then to watch a movie when you weren't in your home or at a movie theater, you had to have like a little portable DVD player. So we had one of those. And my daughter watched, hold on, excuse me, I apologize. My daughter watched sky high over and over and over again. And it took years afterwards, if it would come on TV, it would make my wife really sad. And so because it was on in the hospital, like, you know, as my daughter was hooked up all the tubes and everything, and, and just recently, they watched it together again. And I thought it was a big triumph for my wife. Actually, I don't think you're gonna have the same problem with Superman versus whatever.

Nancy 5:42
He probably will not watch it again.

Scott Benner 5:45
That was why I thought you wouldn't have a problem because I don't think you're gonna watch it again. How could they make those Marvel movies? So well, Zack, and nobody at DC figure out how to make a movie.

Zach 5:56
I have no idea.

Scott Benner 5:58
I don't either. It's fascinating. It's just like, like, they're right there. I know. You don't want to copy them. But like, you could, like, can you glean something from it? Like, I don't know how you ruin a Superman movie? I don't know. They did. So anyway. All right, Nancy. So everybody in your life gets diabetes of one form or another all at the same time? And did you guys think? Like, like, did you? Was it like a, like a horror movie? Was everybody looking around going like, Oh, I wonder who's next? Or you were focused on at that point?

Nancy 6:30
Yeah, I was focused on Zack, you know, I mean, we're overweight. Kind of, you know, my husband and I, and not that my kids were really severely overweight. But, of course, I was thinking, man, what did I do? You know, I cuz I didn't know at the beginning if it was type one or type two, or, or what you know, and, and so it was, at first a lot of guilt until, you know, the next day when they said, Oh, no, this is type one. This has nothing to do with anything you did. And and then it was just focusing on learning about that.

Scott Benner 7:09
Did you have trouble believing that Zack? Like did you think it was something you did? Or how did you feel about it?

Zach 7:16
Um, I didn't feel I didn't think about it very much. I just I didn't know what was going on at the time. I just the the question that I asked right when we got like two that there. And then they said I had type one. I didn't know it was like a permanent thing. And so I'm like, Wait, so how long do I have to deal with this? That's probably the only thing. I I was just curious. Like, how I had to deal with it, how long I had to deal with it.

Scott Benner 7:48
I'm always interested about this. I don't get to talk to enough younger kids that have recollection. So did someone explain it to you? Or did you figure it out through the conversations?

Zach 7:59
Um, so they had this separate room in the hospital for us to learn stuff about type one, like, what foods have carbs what foods don't have carbs? The fat and protein? And we, we were like learning carb counting? Kinda. Yeah. And then we didn't really use it in the hospital, though, because we were just on shots. But it was probably just for the future. Yeah.

Scott Benner 8:27
What isn't that something Nancy that that? Did you have any record any knowledge that he didn't understand what was happening to that level?

Nancy 8:36
Um, you know, at eight, and he's a pretty happy the lucky kids still is kind of and, but he never voiced. Not understanding that it was forever until we got home. And it was a couple of days later. And I that broke my heart. You know, whenever I had to tell him no, this this is going to be forever this until there's a cure. But I do not remember him saying anything. At the hospital

Scott Benner 9:14
that had to be more upsetting than paying for Batman versus Superman.

Nancy 9:21
Definitely, yeah.

Scott Benner 9:22
Terrible. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Wow. That's, uh, I mean, do you hear it, Zach as we're talking about it, how bizarre that is, like, like, not unexpected and nothing you did wrong, obviously. But your mom and the doctors all imagine they make this assumption that people understand you don't mean that. Oh, I know what type one diabetes is they? I don't have to explain it granularly to this kid, but this is never gonna go away is a it's an impactful thing. Do you remember that conversation at all? Zach when your mom told you that? This is forever.

Zach 9:56
Um, I don't fully remember it. But I do. Remember Remember, she told me like, yeah, it is going to be forever. We just need to manage, like, how we deal with it. And that's basically all I remember, I don't have a lot of that conversation.

Scott Benner 10:14
Yeah, I have to tell you that very recently, I had a conversation with my son who's 21, where I still found it upsetting when I, we were just talking about health in general. And I said, you know, I forget how we were in the car, and he was struggling with something I said, you know, you're lucky that there's, you know, a medication for this thing I said, because a number of years ago, there wouldn't have been, you know, this would have just been a burden you would have carried forever. And I said something like, couple 100 years ago, you know, the, the group would have been asking you if you wanted to be put down, or if you want to just be left behind as we moved on to the next encampment, or wherever we went. I was like, you've no idea how, how far things have come. And that conversation led to us just saying, like, you know, there was a point in time in, in modern, you know, not so long ago, history where even if you broke your leg, you were probably dead. You know, like, just like, what are you gonna do? It's, it's just, it's crazy how far we've come in such a short amount of time, but how much, especially when we're younger, we just think that the body we got is, it's just gonna be like this forever, and nothing's ever gonna happen to it. So I'm comforted to know that Zack doesn't really remember the conversation that much.

Nancy 11:32
Right? Thank you.

Scott Benner 11:35
Zack, how would you describe yourself now five years in? Are you? Are you comfortable with diabetes? Is that a problem for you? How do you think

Zach 11:46
I it's not a big problem. Sometimes, like if my blood sugar's below, I just I can't think straight like, say I'm at school and I'm doing a test and my blood sugar's low, I need to do something. But like, at home, it's pretty normal. It's just like one click away on my phone. And we do need to do carb stuff, though. But it's pretty easy.

Scott Benner 12:11
amongst your friends, is it talked about? Or is it just sort of a thing that exists?

Zach 12:16
It's not really talked about in my friend groups. You know,

Scott Benner 12:19
if you got incredibly low amongst friends, do you think they'd have any idea how to help you?

Zach 12:26
Um, a few of them, maybe, but because I've mentioned it once, but we don't talk about it. They know that I have it. And I think I've told them, how to how I deal with it. But I'm not too sure if they fully know.

Scott Benner 12:45
Gotcha. And Nancy leaving the hospital, what kind of technology do they have for you?

Nancy 12:52
We, we did not get Dexcom until he was about six months in I think, and of course, MDI. I think we even we didn't even start with pins. We started with syringes and vials and my husband, he's an IT guy. So he had he made a an app for an Android phone at the time, just so we could put in his carb ratios and stuff. And so it was a very simple thing. Only we used it really and you know, so we use that and the grandparents would use that, you know, to help when watching him but we got Dex Dexcom about six months and Omni pod. Was that a year end? Zack? I can't remember.

Zach 13:47
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was a year and

Scott Benner 13:50
how do you like using a pump Zach versus injecting?

Zach 13:54
Oh, it is way better? It like getting the shots over and over again. It's it's, it's it's extremely like, what's the word? Tedious, or? Oh, yeah. It just happened.

Scott Benner 14:12
We're on the same wavelength. I was thinking I was thinking you were gonna say tiresome. So basically, you and I have synced up already in only 12 minutes. I know how you're thinking. Excellent. So just repetitive and cumbersome. Yeah,

Zach 14:29
but the pump like it just replaced it was replaced three days. Well, before it was replaced three days. It was like one day and then we had to change it because of the insulin we were using. But now we have like u 200. And we are now changing it three days, which is way better.

Scott Benner 14:49
Oh, you're using a how do they how do they Nancy How did they categorize that? They call it stronger like potency. How do they talk about those insolence.

Nancy 15:02
I, I just always thought about it is that one is a double strength? You know, I don't. And I asked for it. I don't they didn't really bring it up. So I don't know if there's a particular way they, you know, really talk about

Scott Benner 15:17
how you think about it, though. So for people who don't, I mean, we never really talked about this right? There's you 200. There's you 402. Is that right?

Nancy 15:27
I think maybe you 500 I'm not sure. Maybe I'm wrong. But yeah, Zachary was, he's always used a lot of insulin and had high Basal rates. And we were going through pods, like before, 48 hours was even up,

Scott Benner 15:47
because and because the pod holds 200 units, that just wasn't enough for you. Right?

Nancy 15:51
Right. Right, he was about 100 units a day total. And after we started looping a couple of years ago, and about a year in, or maybe a little less, we were seeing a new doctor, because the other one didn't really want to cooperate with my requests. So I, we were seeing a new doctor, and I think he understood that we had a very good handle on diabetes and how we were managing. And so he went ahead and let us have the u 200. And it has made a world of difference and just how you don't think of changing a pot every two days as being cumbersome, but it's it's just allowed more freedom and, and less thinking about diabetes. So it's been really good for Zach, I think,

Scott Benner 16:48
Nancy, can you give me some context on why Zack needs more insulin? Or do you not know?

Nancy 16:54
Um, you know, I'm not really sure. We, if he's been always involved in some sort of sport, usually, you know, he used to play baseball. But not very competitively. It wasn't like a all the time practicing kind of thing, but possibly because of his inactivity, or I really just don't, I have no idea. But that's just the way it's always been for him. If they

Scott Benner 17:29
ask you. Do you get judgment from the doctor? When you ask for it? Or you don't? I mean, like, is there an underlying inference of like, you're taking in too many carbs?

Nancy 17:41
Well, you know, I with the previous doctor he's all he was more concerned with, well, why do we want to change anything because Zach's a once he had been coming down at that time, before looping, we had been doing we listen, we started listening to your podcast, and I read sugar surfing around the same time and, and his agency was coming down and I want to stay at a few years ago, his a one CD was maybe six point a, you know, something like that. And then whenever we would ask the doctor about it, it was about changing the insulin. First I asked for FY ASP, and he's like, Oh, no, we're not doing FY ASP, even though it had already been approved for the pod. And but he never mentioned anything about oh, he's using too much insulin and Zach's never been a very heavy carb eater

Scott Benner 18:55
yet. I want to say like, I'm not saying that I that that was my fault, either. I'm just trying to see like where this conversation might end up going if you start having it cold in the doctor's office. So can you like for context that do you know about how many carbs you eat in the course of a day

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Zach 22:49
Versus the day like on a regular day, I'd probably eat maybe 80 to 100 carbs.

Scott Benner 23:05
See that's not crazy, right? Like there's nothing crazy about that like and I'm going to do some math for a second. That's always fun. When I do math apart. Let's just say it's 100 carbs. We'll just say that for fun. Do you know what your insulin to carb ratio is? One unit covers. However, let me check. I'm interested Nancy Do you know don't say if you know

Nancy 23:34
well, if if he was on you? 100 right, it would be 123 or one to four. Okay. And and I like looking at Nightscout I know that his regular average intake of carbs is about 150 a day. Okay, still not very high. I don't think

Scott Benner 23:52
Arden's one that four and a half I think. So, if we divided by just for for fun, then 25 units for 100 carbs, fees taking in 150 a day. What is that? 3540 ish, and that is Basal. What's your Basal rate sec.

Zach 24:16
Basal rate is 17.8 units for the day.

Nancy 24:26
A day. Yeah. Okay, that's a view 200 though. So if you know we're doubling now.

Zach 24:33
Yeah, so 34 35.6 35 divided

Scott Benner 24:37
by 24. So your Basal would be like 145. There's nothing crazy about any of this. Like

Nancy 24:43
Well, I do have to say though, he started playing tennis over the summer. And we have seen some amazing reduction. It was crazy the amount of reading Shouldn't we've had to make over the last several months? Yeah. So maybe it was the inactivity.

Scott Benner 25:08
What's crazy is that I can't hit a tennis ball saved my life. You can do it

Zach 25:19
decently Yes. Yeah,

Scott Benner 25:21
I can't do it at all. I've I've fairly good hand eye coordination. And if you hit a tennis ball at me with a tennis racket, I just don't I don't hit it with. I don't, I can't find it. Just the ugly and horrible. So, okay, so you, do you think? Do you think he needs that you 200 Still not that you're not getting rid of it helps anything. But do you think he could get away with 100 at this point?

Nancy 25:51
He might. But some of the things that I've noticed, that I really like is, you know, it takes half as long to get a Bolus in with Omni pod. You know, if we were talking about let's say it's a large meal, and it's a 20 unit. Bolus, have you 100. It's gonna take, what 1618 minutes or something like that to get the Bolus in using you 200 It's half the time. Yeah.

Scott Benner 26:25
So the pod delivers the insulin more slowly, I think so that it has time to disperse once it's under, under the skin, right? Because at times, so you don't get tunneling. And it doesn't it doesn't come flying back at it. So that's a great point. So just mass mass of liquid or volume, volume of liquid isn't half. Oh, cool. All right, that makes sense. I like that idea. I've never considered this before. Like, it's funny. Like, I mean, Arden's Basil is probably like one right now an hour and and she's one to four and a half. So I don't think her insulin usage is really that much. Like her needs are that much different than than Zach's really. But you're making a lot of good points. That's cool. All right. I didn't want to. I don't want to belabor the point. I think it's interesting. Yeah. Zack, did you notice your needs change? As you got more active? Or did someone have to tell you did you put two and two together?

Zach 27:24
Um, I'm pretty sure I put two and two together. i No one like specifically told me but like people did hint. Well, my blood sugar inted at like, me, like needing less insulin, because I kept going low and playing tennis. And so I guess that meant like I needed less insulin before. Like, before meals. Wait. So I'd need less insulin on the meals before activity. So I don't drop.

Scott Benner 28:04
Okay. All right. And you're looping, right, Zack, do you have to make any overrides for tennis? Or is the loop handling it with your current settings?

Zach 28:15
Yeah, we have a tennis override, or the very active override, but it varies. One has less insulin, but it depends on what my blood sugar is going into it. So

Scott Benner 28:29
how long before your activity? Do you set the override?

Zach 28:34
Maybe 10 to 15 minutes prior

Scott Benner 28:38
you set off when you're done? Or do you like it to end before you're finished?

Zach 28:42
We set a timer on the override for two hours. So that it will just turn off automatically. How long status? About two or one and a half hours?

Scott Benner 28:56
Okay. All right. Excellent. You figure that out on your own? Or did your mom help you?

Zach 29:01
My mom helped me.

Scott Benner 29:02
How much did this does your mom still do day to day? And do you like that? Or do you like what do you want to have happen as far as control of your insulin?

Zach 29:14
I'm uncomfortable with her helping me because I I'm not too sure about like, if my blood sugar is low. What if like, my blood sugar is on like I don't fully know, like what my blood sugar is going to do at times. Like sometimes when there's a meal. We use like three hour and then four hour, but we split the carbs up so sometimes I think it's all taco but there's fat and protein which we need to account for which mom?

Scott Benner 29:52
Yeah. Oh, that's excellent. And you're happy for your mom to be helping? Yeah, okay. I wouldn't be too bad. otherwise, I would not like don't. If I was you I'd let her do it as long as she wants. You're kind of young still. But do you think about college?

Zach 30:11
Ah, not yet. Not really. The one thing I've been thinking about is that night time, whenever I'm by myself, it's going to be hard to control my blood sugar.

Scott Benner 30:24
Okay, so that's a concern of yours. Yeah, yeah. My daughter has been messing with learning some boluses this week. And I said to my wife was like, it's gonna kill me. Because she goes to bed. She's like, I did it, then I'm up for like, another two hours fixing what she screwed up, which is, which isn't too bad. She's good. She's figuring it out. And then I just kind of go back to her later. And I'm like, Hey, right here. Can I kind of point to our graph a little bit. I was like, you just needed to do this or it's Halloween now give coming up. And there seems to be these little bite sized Milky Way dark bars in a little candy dish. She's been like, doing flybys on those once in a while, you know? She's like, I Bolus for them. Like when she's like, you know, when I ate it. I was like, alright, well, if your Pre-Bolus that he can sleep? Do you have trouble with Pre-Bolus thing at all, Zach, or do you see the benefits?

Zach 31:23
Um, so I see why we need to Pre-Bolus but it does sometimes get on my nerves, because like, I really want to eat something like I'm hungry. And but then I have to Pre-Bolus because it needs the insulin needs to go in. So that the carbs so the carbs and insulin are like, meeting at the same point, instead of the carbs going first.

Scott Benner 31:50
Zack, do you know that? And not don't get me wrong. Okay, like, I'm not weepy. But I just got like a little happy sadness inside of me, because you're using my words that I'm assuming you got through your mom. Is that how that'll happen? Nancy?

Nancy 32:04
I don't know. You know, actually, we met you one time. When you were in Atlanta for a JDRF thing. Summit.

Scott Benner 32:13
May I say real quickly. I was fantastic that day. Am I wrong?

Nancy 32:18
Excellent. Excellent. But so I'm not sure if he's, I mean, of course, I have mentioned it also. But maybe he's remembering when you went and talk to the youth there that day. Oh,

Scott Benner 32:32
Zack, you were in that room?

Zach 32:35
Yes, I was. And that those are the words that I remember you like talking about you had this board with the graphs. And you're saying like, Oh, we need to make the carbs meet the insulin, because if the carbs going first, then the insulin won't have enough time to like, get rid of all the carbs.

Scott Benner 32:52
Exactly that that that's stuck with you all this time. That was before COVID. Right? That was right before COVID? Yeah. Zack, I'm like a hero, aren't I? Yeah, just teasing. You. know, I really enjoyed that. This is one of my favorite things about going and giving talks is that I like I like saying it to the parents and then saying it to the children separately. Because it was act this is helpful that you can answer a question for me. The reason I the reason I do that, is because it's my expectation that when you get home, if I don't talk to you, like if you're just off in a room coloring, and I realize you're 14, but you know what I mean? Like if they stick in some kid's room, right? And then your mom, your mom's off listening to me. And I'm all like bold with insulin tug of war, and I'm saying stuff like that, then you get home. And you haven't heard me that when she starts saying it. You probably think this lady with her ideas about my insulin again. But I Yeah, right. But my idea was if I tell the kids to that when the parents are talking about it, there'll be some common starting ground. And did that actually work?

Zach 34:02
Ah, yeah, I think so. Right? Right after the entire like Summit, we got in the car. We talked about what we learned. And I'm pretty sure my mom brought up your thing, but I knew what she was talking about. Because you were you were talking about it with my group. And so, yeah, that sparked conversation. And we talked about that.

Scott Benner 34:26
So happy. Really, mainly, I'm just amazed at something I thought of actually worked, but because, Zack, listen, when you do things differently than other people, here's a life lesson for you. I know it's great when older people tell you stuff like this the first time I don't know if you've ever heard the words fake it till you make it. I think it's an AE reference. So I'm hoping you haven't heard it yet. But it just it just means like, you know, be confident about things and until you are the person you want to be. Say you're that person And the first time that I spoke somewhere, I said, Well, I would like to. So I don't know how common this is. Most people like go into something and they speak for like a half an hour and they leave. Isaak, I'm not getting on an airplane, let alone a car to talk somewhere for a half an hour, because I'm chatty. And so I need more time, right? So I tell me, so when I set up the speaking events, I do a morning talk, I do a mid afternoon talk, at afternoon talk, that's a q&a. And then I go talk to the kids, I speak four times during the course of the day. That's not because somebody told me that was the right way to do it, or because I even knew that was the right way to do it. It's what I imagined was the right way. Go in talk to people in the morning, give them like a kind of like a general overview of the ideas and a couple of samples. So they can think like, oh, cool, I would like to do that. Maybe I'll find this guy again, speak again at lunch, because you've got everybody captive, right? And then you know, and then you go over, like the finer details. So that they can think like, oh, well, that guy did it. Maybe I could do it, and then do a q&a later. So that once they've had time to kind of ruminate, they can come back and ask questions. And then my last idea, talk to the kids that when they get home, there's no I mean, less resistance. It's always my assumption that if you're coming to hear somebody talk about diabetes, you're not there because things are going great. You know what I mean? Like, you know, people with like, five, five a one sees aren't like running around asking people how insulin works and stuff like that. And so when I thought of that, zack, zack, you ever curse? I don't want to get you in trouble. Rarely, yeah, I just pulled that out of my ass. You know what I mean, man, like I was on the phone with somebody. And they're like, What do you want to do? And I made don't tell anybody that I made all that up. It was on the phone. It isn't something like I masterminded in a lab. I said it out loud to somebody. And as I was saying, and I thought, Oh, that makes sense. And then I paused like, I wonder if she's gonna let me do this. And then she did. And I was like, oh, and then I went and did and I'm like, Oh, I think that worked. And then I did it again. And again. And again. Yours is the last time I ever did it because of COVID. And I'm just really, like, I'm thrilled it worked out for you. What is your agency's EQ?

Zach 37:29
Was it 5.6? Last time?

Nancy 37:31
Yeah. Yeah,

Scott Benner 37:32
that's legit. Congratulations. Seriously, man, good job. It's not easy. Like I know, it can start feeling like oh, this is how it goes. And it's normal. But there are a lot of people walking around with they'd murder you for that a one sees that? You know, maybe mentor people would be people would still, they'd at least break into your house for like, that's a really, that's a legit thing. That's well done. Yeah, that's you and your mom. Are you guys a team?

Zach 38:03
I think my entire family other than my, my one sibling. But yeah.

Scott Benner 38:09
Real quick. So some siblings are helpful, and one of them isn't?

Zach 38:14
Well, I only have one sibling. Oh, they kind of help but

Scott Benner 38:21
I just, I was just hoping to get you to badmouth a sibling, but since that's not what's gonna happen, we can move on. That's fine.

Nancy 38:27
His his brother is two years older than him. And he's six, almost 16. So not too involved in being helpful about this diabetes?

Scott Benner 38:41
I don't know. I mean, do you really expect your brother to be helpful?

Zach 38:45
No, not really.

Scott Benner 38:46
I wouldn't either. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm with you. Like, do you need help?

Zach 38:54
In certain areas, yes. Like the carb counting, and like splitting the carbs up with like, the long absorption time and the shortened function time. But other than that part,

Scott Benner 39:05
no, you don't need help. Like, like from like, like you're buying me. What would your brother help you with?

Zach 39:11
I don't know. He would probably just be staring at my phone. Wait, why are you doing taco? Yeah, that's three hour absorption time.

Scott Benner 39:21
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Nancy 39:23
You're not eating tacos.

Scott Benner 39:26
He probably wouldn't be three tacos.

How? How are you overnight? Is there stability with the loop overnight, Nancy?

Nancy 39:35
Yeah, you know, um, my husband takes the night shift. I'm going to be honest, and he's just a night owl and I at 10 o'clock I'm out. And but, you know, he was having some lows. Like when I was talking about we've had to reduce his insulin Basal rate a pretty good bit and he was having some lows, but overall, yeah, he's pretty stable overnight.

Scott Benner 40:04
Huh? Cool. That's excellent. As far as you know, but you're asleep.

Nancy 40:08
Well, I, I, I know. Believe me.

Scott Benner 40:14
Nancy, how would you work that out? Is it something you can say in front of your son or No?

Nancy 40:22
Listen, this is how it all just happily worked out. So

Scott Benner 40:26
I think you're full of crap. But okay, that's fine.

Okay. That's hilarious. Zach, I'm going to ask you like a ham fisted question that I don't usually ask on the podcast, because I don't like to say I don't. I don't like my podcast to sound like everybody else's. But for a half a second, if, if you if somebody asked you to describe what it's like to have diabetes, what would you tell them?

Zach 40:59
That's a difficult question. Um, I would say it's your, your it's basically life, but just a little more numbers. And you have to manage your life life a little more? Well, okay. I'm like, it is a difficult question. Alright. Take your time. Ah I, I'd say. I mean, for the first year, a few years, I mean, it's difficult to like comprehend, like, the like what you guys need to do because like, first there's carbs, then there's the Basal rates, like for how much you need throughout the entire day, even without the carbs and you need to add the carbs with the Bolus. And then you have to figure out the Bolus from the carbs. But after you get past that stage, it's pretty easy. All you need to do there is just like, add the carbs out. But it's, it's not that hard to live with. It's, it's, it gives me some perks to

Scott Benner 42:24
go ahead. What.

Zach 42:26
Okay, I'm perks like meeting you. Or

Scott Benner 42:33
I start your sign. You don't have to you don't think kiss my ass. Zack just is there anything good about having diabetes? Are you just trying to be polite? What's going

Zach 42:42
on? I mean, it's true. Yeah.

Scott Benner 42:46
It opened for people. Like it sounds weird. They don't know how great I am. You know, made me. Yeah, yeah. You met me in person. You know, it's, it's an amazing, it's experience. Did you hear angels singing when you saw me or no? Did that not happen?

Zach 42:59
Yeah, there were in the background, like in the corners of the room. And then like, there was just like spotlight on you in the middle of the room.

Scott Benner 43:06
A lot of people report that that's why I asked. So yeah. How did you like Jenny? Nancy, how did you

Nancy 43:14
like? Yeah, yeah, I enjoyed listening to her. Definitely.

Scott Benner 43:18
Oh, not as much excitement for me.

Nancy 43:21
We were, you know, we were already doing really well, with agency and managing and everything. And so I don't know if I could take away as much as other people. And maybe that's making me sound like I'm full of myself. I don't know. But, you know, but definitely, I enjoyed, you know, listening to her. Cool.

Scott Benner 43:49
I have to admit, that one blew my mind a little bit. The Atlanta one because there were there were a lot of people there that traveled a great distance to get there. And it flipped me out a little bit. So, you know, I was like, wow, like they repeat their bag. Remember before one of the talks, people we were talking before, before we got going and people were saying how far they had come and some people drove like, from different states and wow, multiple hours. And I was like, Oh, that's awesome. Now, you think that but it's a lot of pressure. You're like God, they really, I better say something important. Right? Imagine if I freeze up, Zach. And all of a sudden, like people are like, Hey, I drove here from Tennessee. What are you doing? Let's say something. But there were a number of people there that were there to meet me, which that was the first time I experienced that on on such a significant level. Like that. So many people told me I just came here so we could say hello. And that's when I recognized. It's one of the times I recognized how impactful the podcast had been that people would do that was kind of staggering to me actually. And I wasn't worrying Zack. Now, excellent.

Zach 45:03
You were talking about an insulin cell and a carb cell like doing a tug of war?

Scott Benner 45:10
I am entertaining. I hear what you're saying. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Alright, so. So Nancy, then most of what you learned, you learned through the podcast,

Nancy 45:24
that and surfing and shiver surfing, I kind of they're very similar, you know, and just the way you think about it. And yeah, I, I do have to say, I'm pretty disappointed with the education that you get from, like, the endocrinologist and, you know, I mean, at the hospital, they give you the don't die advice. But you know, I felt like there had to be more because it was such a roller coaster with their instruction. And so at like, a year and a half in, I just started seeking out whatever, I could find information on how to do it and found your podcast. And that just I joined a bunch of Facebook groups and and

Scott Benner 46:22
yeah, Was that helpful, like meeting other people online?

Nancy 46:27
Sometimes helpful, and there are some some groups that are helpful, and some that are more people just asking for help, you know? And

Scott Benner 46:39
they don't always have the answers. You're saying?

Nancy 46:43
Not not all groups are the same? No, there are some really great ones. And I do feel like the podcast juicebox group is it's been great. I tried to reach out and help people whenever they need it. I'm, you know, of course, we're part of the looped group on Facebook. And I used to be a mentor on there. And I'm still mentoring several people, but just kind of was overwhelmed with how many requests so I don't know how you do it. But yeah, so I just, I try to help people mainly now on there, but I did learn some on there, too.

Scott Benner 47:25
That's interesting. Tell me a little more about that, like the, you see, you're trying to help people online. So I'm assuming you amassed this knowledge, and you suddenly realized that Well, I can explain this to other people, and this would be helpful to them. And that's something you wanted to do.

Nancy 47:41
Yeah, I just I felt like I, I would feel bad hearing about people's roller coasters or, you know, just struggles and knowing that there's a way to avoid it. I wanted to share and help them and you know, of course, with looped in with DIY loop and kind of being responsible for making your own setting changes anyway, because most endos won't really help with that yet. Just helping them you know, following their kids Nightscout. And being in regular communication about that I just, I just feel a responsibility to help people.

Scott Benner 48:29
How did it become overwhelming?

Nancy 48:32
Well, you know, because when I mentor someone, I can't just look at their Nightscout once a day, I would be looking at every meal and communicating with the parent most of the time, you know, Hey, what did you have to eat? Well, how did you enter the absorption and when you have when you're doing that, for five or six people at a time, every day, it can get overwhelming. And last, right before Christmas last year, I just decided I needed to remove my name from the mentorship tab and just kind of continue helping who I was already helping. And so that's every once in a while, if I see somebody asking questions, and I feel led to help them I'll send them a message but I don't get more requests.

Scott Benner 49:32
Gotcha. Yeah. Did you find that people wanted to stay with you longer than you felt like they needed you?

Nancy 49:40
Sometimes, and I think it's been a learning process for me, of how to impart more of my knowledge about it. And let them take over more, you know, instead of just continually just helping them or telling them how to make the adjustments,

Scott Benner 50:05
I find that after you're at it for a while, it's very it's more impactful to ask them questions that you know will lead to the answers you were going to give them so that they can find the answer on their own or at least feel like they did. And then they can start it, it's easier for them to wire together, they start putting two and two together easier. Like I do it on the Facebook group to like, there's sometimes people ask questions, and I know the answer. And instead of telling them the answer, I asked them a question that leads them to the answer. And then you're not just teaching them you're teaching the other people that are watching as well. But how do I do it? I mean, I don't say yes to everybody. Right? There are people who email me that I'll get like, I sometimes answer an email six weeks after I receive it. And the the trick to that is to you have to let go your guilt. Yeah. Did you feel real driven by guilt when people ask questions? Like you had to get back to them? Or it was unfair, if you didn't like that kind of stuff for no.

Nancy 51:15
There is no not getting back to them. For me, yeah, so definitely, you know, I just I feel led to help them, you know, and so, yeah, I guess there was guilt if other things were going on, and I couldn't, you know,

Scott Benner 51:37
Zack, can I ask you, and you can be honest, your mom won't be upset if you're honest. Did it bother you that she was helping other people? Or did you like it? Or do you not even really not even aware of it?

Zach 51:49
So I was aware of what I was aware of it. I just, I didn't I thought it was fine. I thought it was good that she was helping other people.

Scott Benner 51:59
Yeah, yeah, you just you did. But you didn't have like a, like, Why isn't she helping me?

Zach 52:06
No, she she helped me as well. Yeah. But she just had other people to help as well.

Scott Benner 52:12
Did it wasn't noticeable. Like, it sounds like she was spread a little thin. Did you feel like that? Like was she like, at eight o'clock at night instead of where she normally is? Was she helping someone or on the phone with a person or something like that?

Zach 52:26
Sometimes, but so sometimes whenever, like, late at night, whenever she was dealing with a one family. Sometimes she just like, tells me like what's been going on with them. And my she kind of complained or not complain, but like, tells me what their problem is. Right. And I think it's kind of funny, but I mean, it's not funny. They do have a problem. But

Scott Benner 52:57
what do you think, Nancy?

Nancy 52:59
No, I was just thinking I was venting. Like, oh, why aren't they getting this? You know? Yeah,

Scott Benner 53:07
yeah, it's, um, I would say that one of the things I'm more proud of is, is you're being attacked. Zach, get out of the bed and lock the door. Oh, boy.

Unknown Speaker 53:21
Oh my gosh, excuse me. Hold

Scott Benner 53:22
off. Are you in Canada? Zack? What's going on? Zack, you're not Canadian. Are you? No, no. All right. Where do you get to? Where do you get a wolf from? What is that kind of dog? Is that

Zach 53:37
golden doodle? My dog is crazy. He is runs around slamming into like, the the couches, the table. Anything he can see. They don't

Scott Benner 53:53
tell you. The dog. Nope. What do they say? It's a hypoallergenic. Yeah, that's what they said doesn't shed.

Zach 54:03
That's exactly why we got it. My brother is allergic to dogs and cats.

Scott Benner 54:07
Oh, so Nancy, you get a dog that doesn't shed and is hypoallergenic but it runs into the furniture. What is it? What actually the dog was that? Zach said the dog runs into everything. It's crazy.

Nancy 54:22
Man's into everything. He does shed. The Shed. Yeah, well, we thought so too. But we paid a lot of money for a shedding dog.

Scott Benner 54:37
And it's got a stupid name. No offense. Other people have won. I mean, golden doodle. How do you say that with a straight face to people? It was that dog? Oh, it's a golden doodle. And he's black. Really? Yeah. Was he supposed to be another color? Did you did you I'm about to say did you buy him when he was black? I know he's alive. I'm supposed to say get him but did you? Did you? I don't know.

Nancy 54:59
Yeah. We picked him he was black, but his, the poodle in him is more black. So he just carried that trait but he's still golden retriever and poodle mix.

Scott Benner 55:14
My mom's poodle tried to bite me when I was a baby. She got rid of it right away. She's on my, on my team. You know that dog went right to the moon. I don't even know if they they put it in the trunk of a car and drove into a lake or something. It was. Oh, boy. It was the 70s Zach. You don't even you can kill people in the 70s didn't even matter. You're allowed to smoke in a restaurant in the 70s. Zach. Exactly. How many people do you know that smoke cigarettes?

Zach 55:41
Um, not many. Right? Not Not a lot,

Scott Benner 55:45
right? When I was your age, everyone I knew smoke cigarettes. adults, children, babies. Puppies didn't matter. Everyone had cigarettes. Now they don't. Can you imagine? Yeah. Sitting in a restaurant with like four people smoking at a table.

Nancy 56:03
Now they vape. So

Scott Benner 56:05
they do it interesting. They do it indoors? Well, no.

Nancy 56:09
I can't remember if vaping is illegal indoors to or not.

Scott Benner 56:15
Exactly. vaping. Or, you know, sec, what if I asked you a string of embarrassing questions in front of your mom right now? I won't do it. Don't worry. It's not a big deal. Thank you. Yeah, no problem. You got your eye on any ladies. Anything going on there? No, nothing? Not yet. No, you're thinking of the future? How you how you think it is? I'm sorry? I didn't mean to be presumptuous. In any guys. Anything like that? No, no. All right. Well, let me know if something pops up.

Zach 56:49
Okay, I'll email you.

Scott Benner 56:50
I think Yeah, send a note. That's a good idea. Because what I need is the government coming and finding an email from a 15 year old that tells me that he is interested in somebody, right? Because that won't look anything. Don't never email me. Zack, what are you talking about stopping?

Zach 57:05
Being sarcastic. I'm not going to email you about my relationship status.

Scott Benner 57:11
If you do, I'm calling your mom and I'm telling you there's something wrong with you. Okay. Nancy, is there any other autoimmune in your family?

Nancy 57:22
My husband has hypo thyroid.

Scott Benner 57:25
That's a yes. What else? We got? Hashimotos?

Nancy 57:29
I don't think so. No. I had like, my mother has hypo thyroid. And both of her parents had it. But no, nothing else that I can think of

Scott Benner 57:46
Zack, your thyroid works. Okay. Yes. Are you pretty sure.

Nancy 57:53
We just haven't checked? It's good.

Scott Benner 57:55
Sorry. Pretty sure. Is your you said brother, right. Brother is he does he think you believe Nancy? That he's concerned about diabetes or anything like that?

Nancy 58:10
No, I don't believe so. There have been over the course of five years, maybe once or twice that he's exhibited some sort of symptom. And I checked his blood sugar and he was completely fine. Also, we've done trial net several years ago, and he didn't have any of the markers. So I think he's, he's not worried about it.

Scott Benner 58:44
Any anger, there's act that it's you and not him?

Zach 58:51
Well, not really. I mean, I got some benefit from it that he didn't, but like, yeah, no, I, I don't really think that he deserved it. I don't think either of us deserved. Yeah,

Scott Benner 59:09
I did that stuck with me. I didn't expect you were gonna say yes. That actually if you just said yes, I would have signaled to your mom that you needed psychiatric care. But I just, I just wanted to get the answer from you. i i have the bigger ideas that that it's not a right, exactly. And I tell you a secret. I'm hoping I'm hoping that the people listening can hear that it's not such a big deal to you and that you're okay. Yeah, you know what I mean? And so that's why I'm asking you questions like that. Not so that you're not so that you'll but but if you have some deep dark secret, like, I mean, probably tell somebody you don't I mean, if you can't tell your mom tell another professional something like that. They used to be when I was a kid, tell them other adult but I gotta be honest with you. I've met a lot of adults. I don't think I would do that. Tell a teacher but then every day I turn on the news. There's a teacher like to have had sex with a kid and I'm like, I don't know. Like, how do I know it's not one of them when I'm telling them? You know what I mean? So, yeah, that many teachers do that. I'm not saying that. I'm saying hello, qualified professional if you have any problems, doctor, something like that. All right, Zach, you promise? Yeah. I think Zack and I are both sarcasm each other into a hole. What do you think of that?

Nancy 1:00:26
I think it's true. Yeah.

Scott Benner 1:00:28
Where do you where do you get this sarcasm from? Zack, I don't even know if people can read it. Yours is so tight and quiet. But is it from? Is it from your mom or your dad?

Zach 1:00:39
Ah, I'd say from my brother. But that's not true. Because it can't. But it's probably from my dad's side.

Nancy 1:00:47
You think Nancy is definitely definitely

Scott Benner 1:00:50
hard to be married to a sarcastic person. And so yes or no.

Nancy 1:00:54
At times, yes.

Scott Benner 1:00:57
Do you ever wonder sometimes, like, why is he joking about everything?

Nancy 1:01:01
Oh, it's so annoying at times.

Scott Benner 1:01:07
My wife's like, this isn't funny. I was like, well to you, because it's happening to you. But to the rest of us. It's hilarious. So just like you're ganging up on me, I'm like, You're the one that dropped the food on your shirt. Like, I don't know what you want us to do? Should we just sit here and pretend it didn't happen? You know what I mean? It's like, that's what you gotta do? Sack you bust your parents balls? Or how are you with that stuff?

Zach 1:01:29
Um, no, I? If, well, what? In what scenarios? All of like,

Scott Benner 1:01:38
oh, I don't know. I've raised my children to be so free with themselves. Like, I mean, other times when kids don't say anything. That'd be great. Maybe I should have done that instead.

Zach 1:01:47
Not not? Well, most of the time. I don't say anything. You just buy? Sometimes. Like if they like get on my nerves like my dad, if he makes us a really, really, really, really bad joke. Or like, it it just sometimes, but not, not really not really.

Scott Benner 1:02:08
Do you know it took my wife two years to stop doing this thing. My kids would come up to her with a video and say Mom, check this out. And my wife's first question was Who is that? And my kids would go Mom, I don't know everybody on the internet. And that was always how it went. I think they were trying to like but she always assumed that she was being shown a video of somebody that they knew is literally took her like two years to stop asking. And they were unmerciful on her about it like just there were times where I would see the phone go in her face. And they'd be like, Mom, check this out. And she'd go Who is that? And Arden will take the phone away and say never mind. Like you're not allowed. You're not allowed to look at it now. Like you like you blow you're not allowed to have it. Are you that harsh to your arm or no? No, no, he's not. He's not harsh. Gotcha. No. Well, that's you keep being a good boy. Zack, you understand me? Zack, let me ask you another question. If Lucy their exact disappear. Oh, wait. We killed Oh, I get it back sorry. Know what happened? You okay?

Zach 1:03:24
Yeah, my phone has this time limit thing on my apps. And it's

Scott Benner 1:03:31
Nancy. Zack, let's talk about that for a second. They have a time limit on your apps. They're limiting your usage. Yeah. Tell her how you feel about that.

Zach 1:03:44
Okay, mom? Yeah. I have something to tell you. Okay. He told me to say this.

Scott Benner 1:03:55
No, I did. Just tell her how you feel. I'm not putting words.

Zach 1:04:00
Okay, so it's kind of annoying that when everyone listening because

Scott Benner 1:04:11
the app cut him off again. That's hilarious. Oh, my gosh. That's hilarious. I think we should leave him off now. He's being punished and we should get now Nancy, tell me all the things you hate about that kid. Go ahead.

Nancy 1:04:25
Oh, my goodness. That's all the stuff is trying to protect my kid.

Scott Benner 1:04:29
What are you tried to keep them from the porn? What do you do in Exactly? Oh, hours enough time.

Nancy 1:04:37
Right. I'm just trying to get them to do some homework and not be on zoom all the time.

Scott Benner 1:04:43
I see. Oh, God, I think Arden would burn the house down if I did that. Oh gosh. Yeah. Would that be great if she was chatting with some boy or something or a friend and her phone just shut off? Oh my gosh, she'd come in a room with a stick and hit me. I just have to

Nancy 1:04:59
go Do you Do you want me to? He's in the room here now see that? Yeah. Let me see.

Scott Benner 1:05:06
Zack This is Can he hear me? No. Can you hear me for the headphones? Zack put these headphones on while your mouse clicks she can't hear us now while she's fixing your phone. Can you hear me? Okay? Yeah, I can hear you. Listen to me. This is insulting. You have to do something about this. Alright. You seem. You seem like a reasonable kid. I don't think you're using your phone for harm. This needs to be fixed. You got to get out off. Okay. I'm going to try to help you when we get back on Okay.

Zach 1:05:39
Okay. All right. All right. Thank

Scott Benner 1:05:40
you for the heads up. Or you fell off. He didn't hear that part. Okay. Sorry about that. You're doing the right thing. You're a good mom. Stop him from using the phone. But what? What age are we going to let him use it for longer?

Nancy 1:05:59
How long is it coming soon? I'm sure. Yeah.

Scott Benner 1:06:02
Well, now at what time? Is your phone cut you off?

Nancy 1:06:06
Well, definitely, you know, he's still in middle school. So he might get some more freedom when high school comes like his brother. And we'll see definitely before college.

Zach 1:06:27
Alright, shall I continue?

Scott Benner 1:06:29
Zach, tell your mom Hi. This makes you feel good.

Zach 1:06:32
Okay, kind of annoys me that like, right when I'm online or like I'm doing something like say I was playing a game. It just cuts me off. At any time. Sometimes I don't even know when. But like, I it just cuts me off. Like say I was in a call like now. I I'm just in the middle of a sentence I get cut off. Then I need to ask for time. But then, whenever I asked for time, it's I have to do something first. Okay, I'll do the thing. And then I get I get a little bit more time.

Scott Benner 1:07:09
Okay, you're not so I'm trying to do your friends mock you on mercifully about this. They treat you like lesser than because this happens to sometimes. Zack, have you ever been bullied about this? No, no. I'm glad you have.

Nancy 1:07:23
Yes. He has way more freedom than a lot of his friends. So I don't even want to hear it. Do

Scott Benner 1:07:29
you feel like that's true, Zach? No, no. Okay. Do you think that your mom's trying to protect you? Or do you think she's being over protective?

Zach 1:07:38
Both? Well, yeah. Both?

Scott Benner 1:07:41
What would you do with more time?

Zach 1:07:44
What would I do with more time?

Scott Benner 1:07:46
If you have more on your phone? What would you do with it? Oh,

Zach 1:07:49
if I had more time on my phone I mean, I wouldn't really do much. I if I had an hour. If I was on a call. At least it wouldn't cut me off.

Scott Benner 1:08:04
So it's more about freedom. You wouldn't start doing more things or extra stuff. You just would have some more freedom.

Zach 1:08:09
I mean, not really. No. Yeah. It's just a little more freedom. Yeah.

Scott Benner 1:08:13
What apps are you on? Are you on Instagram?

Zach 1:08:16
No, I don't have any social media. You don't have to

Scott Benner 1:08:19
tick tock? No. Oh, Zack. Is it because you don't want it? You're not allowed. Not allowed. It's a pretty big trend on tick tock right now, Zack. Here is I think you would like it. Oh, no. Just saying. Anyway, I don't think I can tell you about it. But a lot of people seem to be dancing without undergarments at this point. So yeah, it's crazy, man. This is what you're missing.

Nancy 1:08:52
That's just what we need more of

Scott Benner 1:08:56
think. No, I have to be honest with you. I'm at the point. Now I'm at the age where I'm like, I like my kids are like scrolling and I'm like, does anyone wear a bra at this point? And I told her is like not right now. And I was like, what she goes it's a it's a massive trend right now. And I was like, Oh my God. Wow. Like what are we doing Zach? Right. We don't want to see we wouldn't you know, you know I'm saying?

Zach 1:09:20
Yeah, now Tik Tok is off the list. Yeah.

Scott Benner 1:09:24
At all. Is there an app you wish you had that? that you think would be reasonable for you to have?

Zach 1:09:32
I get these two confused, but which one is the one where it doesn't have videos, but like, you can, like message your friends? What's it like?

Scott Benner 1:09:42
Is that WhatsApp?

Zach 1:09:45
It's the one between Instagram or Snapchat?

Scott Benner 1:09:48
It's Snapchat. Yeah. Who wants that?

Zach 1:09:53
Yeah, just that I wouldn't want like tick tock or Instagram.

Scott Benner 1:09:56
Nancy. Why can't he have Snapchat?

Nancy 1:09:59
I don't know. Okay, I'm going to figure out why he can't.

Scott Benner 1:10:02
When you look when you look into it, or will you just come up with a reason why it's a no,

Nancy 1:10:06
no, I mean, sure, I would look into it if I feel like he could be safe or I could secure it somehow, then I would consider it.

Scott Benner 1:10:18
And Zach, you just want to like have streaks with your friends, right? Yeah, yeah, Nancy, they just want to listen. They just want to hold their phone up to their face, take a picture of their forehead and send it to each other and see how many days in a row they can do it. That is exactly what they

Nancy 1:10:31
do. Cool. Oh my gosh. That sounds like so much fun. I'm keeping him from.

Scott Benner 1:10:38
You're stopping him from having a full life. Nancy of Santa Fe as far ahead pictures to his other stupid friends so they can send their forehead pictures back. I see how you're ruining everything.

Nancy 1:10:49
We have allowed. Zach what's Oh, Deviant Art. He Zack is an artist. Okay. And so he is allowed to post his art on this. I don't. I guess it's social media, because you're sharing your art. But yeah.

Scott Benner 1:11:10
All right. Well, Zach, what do you do you draw or paint? Or what do you do?

Zach 1:11:16
Yeah, I do illustrations. I usually do. Only pencil. But sometimes I do. Pen and I'm getting into digital art.

Scott Benner 1:11:26
Wow. That's very cool. Maybe your mom can send me something. So I can say it. Would that be alright, pick out one. Cool. And I have one more question before I ask you the kind of closing question which is how did you break your arm? Why are you in a cast?

Zach 1:11:42
Oh, um, so I was playing tennis with my dad and one of his work friends when they pushed you down? Yes, my dad was extremely mean and like, because we lost he pushed me down. Unbelievable. Now, so what happened was, the person we were playing against was, uh, he hit the ball to me. And I was supposed to hit it with a backhand. If you know what that is. It's where you're using your left hand.

Scott Benner 1:12:12
Don't stop me, Zack. I understand what a backhand is. Go ahead. Go ahead. Okay. Okay.

Zach 1:12:15
So I was supposed to hit a backhand back with, but I am really good with my right arm. So I'd wanted to do a forehand. So I was backing up extremely fast. And I tripped on my feet. And I fell backwards onto my hands. And right when I got up it like my hand was dangling in a really bad position. And my mom, right when she saw it, she knew it was broken because she saw like, white on this skin. Or like,

Scott Benner 1:12:50
was pressing. Yes. Yeah. Fun times how that feels.

Zach 1:12:55
Yeah, I felt like I was about to pass out, like get hurt a lot.

Scott Benner 1:12:59
They see his blood sugar shoot up immediately.

Nancy 1:13:02
Yeah, he got pretty hot. Well, he got into the 180s, which is unusual for him. And you know, we immediately went to urgent care. And then we had to go to the hospital. But he ended up having to get pins in his wrist because of the the way it broke. So still in the healing process, but it was really only that day that we had issues with his blood sugar.

Scott Benner 1:13:32
I came back after that. Okay. Yeah. Well, I hope that heals well, for you, Nancy, I'm gonna ask you, is there anything that we haven't talked about that you wish we would have?

Nancy 1:13:41
I don't think so. We did. Okay.

Scott Benner 1:13:42
Yeah, exactly. Do you have a good time?

Zach 1:13:46
Yes. Excellent. Other than the time cutting off, but like, yeah,

Scott Benner 1:13:51
that was hilarious. You have no idea. The second time it happened. Zack, you were in the middle of sticking up for yourself. You were like, here's why. We're just gone. I was like, that's perfect. i The part of me toyed with ending the podcast right there. Like how great would it be? If you started complaining, and then the podcast just ended and it was over?

Zach 1:14:10
That'd be great. That's

Scott Benner 1:14:11
what I shouldn't be perfect. But I kept talking to you. No, well, no, I screwed up. It's my it's my mistake. All right. I really appreciate you guys coming on and doing this. I'm thrilled that you're doing so well. And it sounds like you know, you guys are really kicking butt. It's fantastic. Thank you. Congratulations, man.

Nancy 1:14:31
I definitely appreciate you and I think it's awesome how many people you're helping and just keep keep doing it.

Scott Benner 1:14:39
Thank you. I will I my secret. You said you don't know how I do it earlier. My secret is I just promise ads to companies then I take their money and then I am I absolutely have to make a podcast then afterwards. It's No, I don't mean it like that. I mean, it's that it's a responsibility is helpful. You know what I mean? Like if it right, if it was just random, or I put one up once in a while or, you know, even once a week, you could probably get away with being lazy about it. But when it's a job, it's it's kind of good. It keeps you moving. So right, because everybody has days, they don't want to do something, but I don't I don't get that opportunity. So, right. I appreciate it very much.

Nancy 1:15:22
Okay. All right. So I do have to ask you, and maybe the opposite is gonna be personal. Oh, no, no. Well, it's about the World Series. So I don't know if you want to. Who are you reading for?

Scott Benner 1:15:34
Well, I mean, I'm a Phillies fan. So I'm absolutely mortified that the the Braves are in the World Series. Terrible. And if only they would spontaneously combust is the only way I could be. So wow, have the Braves winning the World Series, which by the way, it looks like they're going to do

Nancy 1:15:55
that was a pretty good game last night. Well, for

Scott Benner 1:15:57
you if you're a Braves fan. It was if you're an Astros fan. I have to be honest, if I'm really breaking down this World Series, which people are going to hear about six months after it happened. I'm a Phillies fan. Lifelong. I don't like seeing that, that anybody else in the division do well besides us, obviously. It's very cool to watch Adam Duvall play because he has type one. And I still think the Astros cheated and I want them to lose. So okay, I'm happy to see them.

Nancy 1:16:30
That you're rooting for them to lose, but not the Braves to win. I see.

Scott Benner 1:16:34
Honestly, I'm just watching them because they're baseball games. I love baseball. And these are the last potentially seven games of the year. So yeah, you know, but it was cool to see Duvall hit that homerun. He's having a really like a hell of a season. So yeah. So while I ask you, Zack, before you go, does that do anything for you to watch someone with type one on television accomplishing something at a high level?

Zach 1:16:57
Um, I mean, I so I don't watch the baseball games a lot. Because I'm not like a big sports watcher.

Scott Benner 1:17:07
Using the describe baseball, go ahead. The baseball game but any game in sports? I I put that aside, like Do you get any bump from that at all? Like, oh, that I heard last night a guy hit a homerun in the World Series. He has type one does it? Because here's my theory, Nancy. I think it means a lot to parents. Because I think they want to point to it for their kids. Like Look, baby, you meanwhile, Adam Duvall is one of 3000 professional baseball players in the world. None of us can do what he's doing. It's an absolute, like, just a randomness. You don't I mean, that he has diabetes is really cool. But I think it's a thing, generally speaking that parents use, and I understand why like to kind of give them their kids a little bolster. I don't know if their parents care. I don't know if the kids care. Like,

Nancy 1:17:59
I, I agree with you, you know, last night or not that last night, but they were watching one of the division games, and I mentioned it to Zach. And he was like, and, you know, yeah, so I but I kind of feel like it maybe has to do with the age of the kid? I don't know or how far they are into diagnosis. I'm not really sure. Yeah,

Scott Benner 1:18:22
I'm sure it's listen, I'm sure. For some people. It's really meaningful. I'm not I'm not saying that. I'm just saying that overwhelmingly online. You know, you see, parents are always asking, like, can you get on an athlete that has diabetes? Can you get on a famous person that has diabetes? Can I'm always like, Oh, no, like I rather I like talking to regular people better? Honestly, like sometimes. I mean, there's people I've jived with in the past. Sam folds been on a couple of times, and he's a former MLB player. And I just like Sam, I don't think it matters to me that he played baseball. And like, there's everybody's like, can you get them to all on the podcast? Like I be people cannot possibly ask me one more time about that. And there's part of me that's like, I could but I'm just gonna become like a baseball fan and talk to him about baseball for an hour. And you're gonna and you'll be surprised. I bet you you say to him, like, hey, how do you manage your diabetes? You'll be like, I just want my pump. It's not going to be some grand secret that he has that the rest of you don't have, you know, right. So, all right. Well, I appreciate you saying that. And I'm thank you for making me come out against the Braves on in a recording. It's fine. If I'm an adult, Zach, to be honest with you. I don't give a crap who wins the World Series? I just want to watch baseball, you know?

Zach 1:19:38
Yeah, I don't either. But I'll watch it.

Scott Benner 1:19:42
Yeah, I actually to be honest. Most of my life, like that's not how stuff occurs to me. You know, if I sit and watch a football game, you know, and the Eagles win. I'm like, Oh, the Eagles won. And if the Eagles lose, I go oh, the Eagles lost. I don't like it. I don't understand when sports that Other people are playing impacts you so greatly that you're upset by it or, like I was excited when the Eagles won the Super Bowl for like an hour. And then I was an adult, and then it was over. I was like, oh, yeah, well, that was fun. Anyway,

Nancy 1:20:13
yeah. I'm definitely getting into the series because we're from Atlanta, and I want to support the home team. But of course, everybody in this house is, Mom, why are you getting so into this game? You know, that sort of thing? But I'm usually I don't have to watch every game or anything like that.

Scott Benner 1:20:37
Oh, well, I'll let you make a prediction as a non like, God, who's gonna win the series and how many games to what?

Nancy 1:20:44
Of course, the Braves? Maybe four to one.

Scott Benner 1:20:51
Let's say it's not gonna happen.

Nancy 1:20:54
I'll cross my fingers

Scott Benner 1:20:55
World Series between two good teams. It'll least go six games. Really? Yep. And and 100%. This could. I mean, this could go seven. It really could if you know, I think you just got you got stuck last night where the Braves starting pitcher Charlie Morton came out and just was on fire and he shut the he shot the Astros down. The Braves put up a couple of points and you just it swings the wrong way. You got really good took a big hit because Charlie Morton broke his leg last night.

Nancy 1:21:27
I know, I saw that he was able to pitch like, I don't know.

Scott Benner 1:21:32
Couple more. And then he realized Yeah, terrible. Yeah. Pretty amazing work. So and he's an old guy. So he's gonna need every day to come back next year. Alright guys, thank you very much for doing this. Hold on one second. Okay. Okay.

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