#579 The Harvey Gamage

November 17, 2021Scott Benner

Lindsay has type 1 diabetes and she sailed on the Harvey Gamage as a teen.

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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello friends and welcome to episode 579 of the Juicebox Podcast

Alright, so Lindsay's been on the podcast before she came on and did a how we eat episode. And at the very end of it, she said something and I just thought, Oh God, I gotta have her back on. And I did, and I loved it. And I hope you do too. While you're listening, please remember that nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan, or becoming bold with insulin. Have you been looking for the diabetes pro tip episodes? Well, they begin in Episode 210 right there in your podcast player. And you can also find a list of them at Juicebox Podcast calm you click on the top it says diabetes pro tip and that actually takes you to diabetes pro tip.com Which I guess you could just type in if you wanted to. But it's all Juicebox Podcast calm if you want it just some redundancy there. Actually at that link you can also find the defining diabetes episodes great reviews of the podcast and so much more. Be honest with me are you dying to know what the episode title means? You're gonna find out oh my god Lindsey story is a Nana's.

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Lindsay 2:28
Alright, I am Lindsay. I am from New Jersey, born and raised still living here. At this time, I'm 34 years old and I've been type one diabetic since I was six. I also have celiac disease. I've been celiac since I was a teenager. And I'm currently wearing Omni pod and Dexcom.

Scott Benner 2:57
And you and I have already recorded together. Yes. Okay. Is that live? It is right?

Lindsay 3:03
No, yeah, yes. That came out. Oh, gosh, I don't even remember maybe in January, okay.

Scott Benner 3:10
And at the very end of recording, I remembered thinking it's a shame that this was about like she eats and celiac and everything because there were so much like kind of richness to your story that we just didn't touch upon. And I think I might have like half jokingly said you should come back on it. We'll talk about that. And you were like, Okay, so here I am. And here you are. Let's first make sure I can tell people where to hear you talk about your you said celiac since and you paused for a second. And I was like if she picks a date that rhymes with celiac. That's it. But then, instead, you're like teens, and my brain was rushing. I was like, What? What? Year rhymes with celiac? There isn't one right? I just wanted to I wanted there to be one so badly when you started saying that. Just now I was like, Oh, this is gonna be amazing. And then

Lindsay 4:03
I guess I could say, I've been gluten free since

Scott Benner 4:07

That would be amazing. Was it 2003? Um, no. And I'm just trying to do the math in my mind. I can't I can't figure that out right now. Like there was I don't know how to explain to everyone that it was only a 10th of a second. But in my mind, it was a year. And I was like I could I could feel myself like closing my eyes and I was praying and I was like, Oh my God, she's gonna say something, it rhymes. And then I'm gonna have an episode title and everything instead. Nothing like that. You were not helpful at all.

Unknown Speaker 4:42
I'm sorry, I couldn't give you the title.

Scott Benner 4:45
You're sorry. I'm sorry that you're sorry. And I can't figure out what episode it is like, Oh, I know why it's because I'm like, because I'm an idiot. That might be why looking in the completely wrong place instead of just doing what I know I can do very quickly. Oh,

Lindsay 5:04
the episode number you know it. I could Well, hold on let me look. Let's see if I can find it.

Scott Benner 5:11
I'm gonna find it before you know. You're probably good about it because I guess

Lindsay 5:16
all right, I got it. It's 439

Scott Benner 5:20
Wait, how did you get before me? I'm in a system that lists all Oh, I didn't hit enter. That's how

Lindsay 5:29
damn it. Oh, that's that. Yeah, that'll do it.

Scott Benner 5:33
Damn Hey, you were 439 Got it? Anyway, there's a number of how we eat episodes. There's vegan carnivore plant based gluten free low carb. Bernstein should be out by the time you hear this, and a number of others. So people come on and they talk about, you know, different reasons why they have to eat different ways. And and Lindsay was nice enough to do that about gluten free. So but today that's not we're going to talk about what we're going to talk about today. Is your like a pirate or something?

Lindsay 6:06
Not Not quite.

Scott Benner 6:07
Can you just go with it for a second? What are you doing?

Lindsay 6:09
Yeah, sure. Yeah, I've done a lot of pirate type things. I guess you could say?

Scott Benner 6:15
Of course. Yeah. All right. So let's just give a little brief overview. First, you were diagnosed with type one when? When I was six years old, so 9092 92? How old are you now? 3434. When you were on the gluten free episode, I tried to your boyfriend about not asking you to marry him. But

Lindsay 6:35
yes, that's how that's happened. It just happened about two weeks ago. Congratulations. Thank you for super excited,

Scott Benner 6:44
oh, this is the best time. I'm so happy. Enjoy this part. This is like when you decide to buy a car and order it. And it takes a while for it to come. And so you get to live in this space where you haven't had to pay for it. And it hasn't broken down yet. So you're just like, Oh my God, that's the best. I'm gonna get this car. And it's so cool. I'm gonna love it. And then yeah, yeah. Live in this.

Lindsay 7:04
That's a good comparison. I mean, everybody's so happy. Everybody is just texting and calling. And it's just it's so great.

Scott Benner 7:14
A world of possibilities. Yes, really? Yes. It won't be for 20 some years before one of your children cheat treat you horribly after you've devoted your entire life to them? Well, we'll figure it out. Oh, are you well, don't worry. You absolutely well, what what made him? I mean, can I take any credit for this? I guess is where I'm going. Like, did you get off the podcast and say like, Hey, a stranger over microphone told me you really should ask me.

Lindsay 7:44
He knew that you are giving him some. You're making some jokes during the podcast. And that's unfortunately that I can't give you any credit for it. But you know, it's been something that we've been we've been talking about for quite some time. So it really just was about timing. And we had a bunch of stuff to get done. financially. We're just working on our home and doing a lot. So we actually were away. We went down to Florida. And he proposed on the beach. Yeah,

Scott Benner 8:19
way better than you pretending that it was my my doing. The real story. The real story is much better. Although this episode has the possibility of being you could have set gluten free since 93. Yes, I am a pirate. And by the way, you are the reason we're getting married. I guess we would have more excitement if that was any of that was true. But

Lindsay 8:41
yeah, that would be just awesome. I, I approve of that.

Scott Benner 8:46
So you what kind of management do you use right now pumping or injecting? Yep.

Lindsay 8:50
So I've been on AMI pod. Since almost since they came out. I actually don't remember what year it was. But I think I had my trial pod in somewhere about 2006 2007. So it was still pretty new. And yeah, I've been on it since. Love it. I have really no complaints. Prior to that I was all obviously all MDI. And I also were Dexcom. A little bit newer to the Dexcom community I started last January 2020. It really took me a while to kind of come to terms with the fact that I was going to have two things attached to me. And I hear a lot of people say that. It's just especially I think for women. It's a thought and it just for for whatever reason it took me a while to be like alright, I'm gonna do this and I did and I'm never looking back.

Scott Benner 9:55
That's excellent. Now I am amazed that you have Omni pod back when it was bigger. Oh yeah, other people who have been through that Arden was but I always thought on the pop is incredibly small. And then one day they actually made it smaller. And I was like, Oh, look at that.

Lindsay 10:10
Yes. Oh, that was an amazing transition. I couldn't even believe because it was. It's significantly smaller from the original one, right? In terms of, you know, insulin pumps, so, yeah, that was that was awesome.

Scott Benner 10:26
So, the, I'm gonna ask about the Dexcom for a second, though. So adding a second device. So the first device was okay, because it took away shots. Is that right? Yeah. Okay, so you're like, alright, I'll make this trade in my head. I don't have to do injections anymore. But then the second one, you can't really know the benefit of it till you live with it. I guess. Like people can explain to you like, you know, I try. You know, every other episode, you hear me go like, the Dexcom, G six, blah, blah. And I say all these things about they're absolutely amazing, but they still just sound like they sound salesy. You know what I mean? Like, do you want to do this anymore? You want until you don't have to do it anymore? You're like, Oh, fantastic, you know,

Lindsay 11:04
yeah, takes away. So many of those obligations. I'm testing, obviously, I still test occasionally, from time to time to double check and do whatever I need to do. But it also adds so much. It just, it gives you such a clear picture as to how things affect your blood sugar, which to me was absolutely priceless. I would wear another like I would wear five of them, if that's what I had to do to get that information. Because, you know, if you're active and you're running and working out and you love to eat and you eat food, it's amazing to see how things affect you. Yeah. And it's really priceless. It is

Scott Benner 11:46
you had you'd had diabetes just long enough through enough different moments in your life. To really appreciate it. Once you saw it. It seemed absolutely. That's why I can't say enough that I just interviewed a gentleman yesterday from the United Kingdom. And he was talking about CGM, and he had had diabetes for longer than you longer than a lot of people. His perspective was really, really amazing. So I feel like you're right in that space, too. Awesome. Yeah. So. So you're like, you're a real adult, like, you live with the guy that you're going to get married to now and you're not like, not like me, like running around like 20 something or like, I'm gonna get married, like you're, you like have jobs and oh, yes, right, right. But we do. But how do you end up? How do I end up feeling at the end of the last episode that I really missed out by not asking you about sailing and things like that? Like, how did that start for you? And is that still part of your life now?

Lindsay 12:44
So there's so many things that I've done, just like adventurous things throughout my life. And a lot of them I would say at the moment, right, right here and now. They're probably not a huge part of my life anymore. Except for one, which would be running and long distance running. But yes, I've been sailing since I've been a little kid. I spent a ton of time on the water, sailing and fishing. I spent four and a half months on a Semester at Sea during high school. That's a whole other that's a conversation we

Scott Benner 13:23
can have with you want to die right now. I don't understand any of that. Like you're in New Jersey. So you're near the ocean that I understand. But you're in high school Semester at Sea. We're not in a real high school. Was it like

Lindsay 13:37
no, I was so I'm from can I say where I'm from

Scott Benner 13:42
your life. You can say whatever you want. Yeah, I'm from Point

Lindsay 13:44
Pleasant. So it is a beach town. And I went to high school play pleasant borough High School. So totally normal high school public school. When I was a freshman, I had I saw an ad for this program called Ocean classroom. And it was through a College up in New England out of Maine. And I said Gosh, this is something that I would just love to do. I I always felt in high school. There was just something more out there. I was always just looking for something else. And looking for the next adventure next challenge however you want to put it. So I clipped the article and brought it to my parents and I said I'm interested in this let's Can we look into it. So after a couple weeks of researching and talking to ocean classroom, we really decided that yeah, I'm going to do this and it was something that my my parents had to pay for. There was tuition but I got high school credit for it so it's totally accredited program. And I spent January to the end of May on A 131 foot wooden schooner called the Harvey Gammage. We sailed over 5000 miles up. Actually, we started in the Caribbean. We spent about two months in the Caribbean, and then sailed up east coast to as far north as Maine. And then we ended in Boston and we made stops all along the way. Okay, I

Scott Benner 15:20
have a lot of questions. Yeah. Your parents really wanted to get ready. That's the first thing. You're a problem.

Lindsay 15:27
No, I was not. I was that an only child? That extra money are there. They're great. I mean, they were super supportive. And I'm sure people are like, Oh my gosh, so spoiled. It's not like that. I don't

Scott Benner 15:41
feel like that. I feel like it's more than supportive animal. I'm just mesmerized by how old you are. I'm trying to think of Arden 1617 As a junior than she was 1516 as a sophomore that made her 14 Like, were you 14 or 15 years old at that point?

Lindsay 15:56
Yeah, I was. It was 2003. So I was I should have been about 15. I think.

Scott Benner 16:04
And were you with other students? Or do you now have like a 65 year old husband? Like what is happening? Exactly?

Lindsay 16:11
Yes, I was with other students. So we had to, there were 23 students on the ship. I was one of 23. And they were all from all over the United States. We had students, a majority of them were from the East Coast, of course, from New England. So there were there was like a big grouping of people from Massachusetts, Maine, Connecticut, New Hampshire. And then we had a couple people, I think we had a person from Florida, Alaska, Montana. So all total strangers, we all had to go through an application process. So we applied and waited for an acceptance and we we got it and we basically got booklets of information. This is what we need you to do. This is what you have to do this what you have to pack. There was a lot of communication for preparation beforehand. And then we flew down to St. Thomas got on the boat and basically took off

Scott Benner 17:15
and it's a working boat or it wasn't like a pleasure cruise, right?

Lindsay 17:19
Oh, no, it was not a pleasure cruise. It was totally Yeah, it was a working schooner we we had three shifts. So we would have you know a watch B watch and see watch.

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Lindsay 18:25
And then, of course we had we had a crew who also doubled as our instructors. So we had a fully staffed crew. I honestly I should have looked into this, but I think there were probably about 10 or 11 of them. And then it was us. So yeah, we we worked every aspect of the ship sails, rigging, deck duties, cleaning, cooking, navigation, celestial navigation, steering every single part of this boat we were a part of. And there were no showers. So we spent, you know, you can imagine two months in the Caribbean. It's you're on the ocean. It's so salty and humid and just absolutely. I mean, just super uncomfortable. We would literally just jump over the side of the boat, get some salt water sudsing shampoo and take a shower that way. Occasionally, I'm talking maybe like once a week.

Scott Benner 19:34
Is there any is there any chance that a boat tricked your parents into paying them to use you as free labor?

Lindsay 19:44
I think there's a possibility.

Scott Benner 19:46
Because this pre internet like when you said you researched it like you meant you made phone calls and read brochures and stuff, right?

Lindsay 19:53
Yeah, this was like ancient times, right?

Scott Benner 19:55
You didn't go on Reddit and say like, Hey, does anybody know if this is just the elaborate way to steal my kid like nothing like Yeah,

Lindsay 20:02
yeah, it was it was totally. I read about it in a magazine. And everything. Yeah, everything was done via mail and we had email, obviously. But, um, yeah, nothing really online, you can't go to any forums or anything like that. So,

Scott Benner 20:18
wow, that seems like such a leap of faith to me. But I guess at that moment, it wasn't really.

Lindsay 20:24
It was, um, it was something that is life changing. Yeah, I would imagine. It's when you're going through it. And I had, I had so many difficult times, as much as I loved traveling and, and doing exciting things and seeing new things and getting out of my comfort zone. I was homesick a lot. I mean, it was not comfortable. So it's like, oh, gosh, I wish I could just go and take a shower and get in my bed. And but every single one of those moments that those struggles, just built upon itself. And by the time I left it, I just was like, I could do anything. That's how I felt. And from that point forward, that's literally how I feel every day, and how I live my life.

Scott Benner 21:15
Did any of the kids like? Like, what would happen if you gave up? Could you just know,

Lindsay 21:20
I think there's certain circumstances that you know, they don't want you to do that. Obviously, they don't want you to give up and, and go home and forget about it. Because part of the experience is pushing through those times. That's how you become, you know, a better person, I guess, but I'm sure Yeah, I'm sure if it was something you were really struggling or just not well, or, obviously if it's affecting your health or something like that. Yeah, of course. I mean, you could you could leave any time. Um, but I we didn't have we had nobody.

Scott Benner 22:00
One of the tight like, tie a tire to your ass and throw you in the water. Like, I mean, how do you leave? You leave a boat? They like?

Lindsay 22:06
Yeah, you don't. I mean, and a lot of those countries, we were in almost every island in the Caribbean. And so many of them are really like third world world countries. Some won't have internet, some barely have actually one of them had just gotten electricity. Maybe a year before we we were there. So yeah, there's really not an easy way. And of course, not a cheap way to get back. So that's another hurdle to

Scott Benner 22:35
tell me what year this was again. This is 2003. Wow, see, when you're telling the story, it feels like it feels like you're gonna say, Oh, this was 1982. You don't I mean, like, but this was not that long ago.

Lindsay 22:48
It wasn't that long ago. Um, well, I mean, when I think about it now I'm like, Wow, I can't believe 2003 was 20. It feels like yeah, it doesn't feel like it's been that long. But no, in reality, it's not. It's not that long.

Scott Benner 23:00
Wait till you start having the experience where you see a little advertisement. And it's like, your favorite movie from when you were 19. Like it's the 25th anniversary of Pulp Fiction like Well, no, it isn't.

Unknown Speaker 23:13
This is not true. Stop.

Scott Benner 23:18
You don't want it? Yeah, trust me. It's not fun. No, but Okay, so. So you have diabetes. Mm hmm. Alright, so let's then 2003 What's your management like, then?

Lindsay 23:32
I was MDI. And when I got on the ship, when I started, I was using humor blog and NPH. And insulin, I guess that was the long longer acting insulin. So I was mixing insulins and testing and taking shots that way. And I distinctly remember, at some point, about halfway through the trip, we were somewhere along the east coast of the United States in port. And we had gotten some kind of correspondence saying, we want, we want Lindsay to switch to link to Lantis. And everybody was like, Who the hell's? Why that we're in the middle of a Semester at Sea, who wants to change the medication? And, you know, it's just like, at that time, I was like, well, what's the worst that can happen? You know, let's, let's give it a shot. You know, maybe, maybe I won't jump off the side of the boat the first day that I'm going on Lantis and, you know, put myself in a super vulnerable position, but we did it halfway through and that was, that was great. I mean, that opens up a little bit more flexibility and just management.

Scott Benner 24:44
I have to imagine that people listening right now who are like, like, oh, I want to switch insulins but I you know, is Fiat's that much different than you people are in your houses making this decision here at home on land. He was 15 on a boat, basically being worked to death praying that she wasn't about to be sold into, you know, child slavery. And, and you oh my god, and they're just like, let's go from old timey insulin dough a fast acting insulin, which works completely differently than the insulin you were on prior.

Lindsay 25:23
Yeah, yeah, totally different. I didn't have much information on it. I remember somebody telling me it was like, more like having an insulin pump. Right. So it offered a lot, a lot longer coverage for that, that Basal? But, I mean, I had no idea. And and, yeah, I mean, if people are listening, and they're like, Oh, should I do this? Should I not do this? Well, I mean, maybe maybe you should try it, because you can do it. You can tie it

Scott Benner 25:54
up and get on a boat, and then do it when you're 15. Like, yes, this see badass person who's with me today? Because I That's fast. And there is no one listening. I would not change Arden's insulin while she was away from me. Yeah, like, I just wouldn't, but there was, wow. And your parents didn't just like send you a tax, they had to like contact a place where they knew you were going to be once you were on lay.

Lindsay 26:22
Yeah, so we had a pretty, I guess, pretty antiquated system of communication. The boat had a satellite phone, and the boat could make calls for really anything. But we tried to avoid doing that if at all possible. So most of the communication was done through mail. And people could send us letters or information or postcards or anything. And the boat would have designated mail pickup spots at certain locations that was available. So we got a lot of I got a lot of postcards and things from friends and family. And I am I also sent back I had a, like an old school camcorder with me. And I sent back videos of just certain things that I was doing on the on the ship, which actually my high school played for the entire school. Most mornings before class started. So that's that was kind of cool.

Scott Benner 27:21
We call those Proof of Life videos, by the way. Yes. Still alive. Did you have to hold up a newspaper? I mean, where would you get a newspaper? But hey, was this whole thing? Was it a big hookup?

Lindsay 27:37
How

Scott Benner 27:38
well you know, like working in a restaurant?

Lindsay 27:41
No, it wasn't it was? No,

Scott Benner 27:45
I'm pretty young at 15. I'm just wondering if you didn't turn into like, like, teenage Caligula or something like that. You guys were working this boat?

Lindsay 27:54
No, it totally did not. And yeah, I mean, I was I was one of the youngest. We had a lot of students who were juniors and seniors. So there were their kids were a little bit older. But the entire thing was super professional. And super. I don't wanna say regimented. But it has to be when you're working a shift and you're working together, you have to have pretty strict rules and guidelines and things to follow, or else people just gonna lose it.

Scott Benner 28:30
Well, no, I mean, obviously, things have to happen. I know, next to nothing about being on the ocean, but I'm assuming things have to happen. Or boats go in wrong directions or bad things happen with water being where they're not supposed to be. And stuff like that,

Lindsay 28:44
right? Oh, yeah. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, a lot of a lot of safety things, a lot of a lot of protocol and a lot of learning. I mean, we learned so much we spend a lot of our time in in class and class would consist of us sitting up on the deck together, learning about math, science, English, history, but all kind of location based. So if we were in a certain Island, we would be learning some sort of history about that location. If we were doing math, we would be doing celestial navigation, with a Sexton and, you know, all sorts of different other tools. So yeah, that was a big part of it, too, because we were getting credit for it. So we have to learn.

Scott Benner 29:34
That's really I find this absolutely mesmerizing, and I'm googling, like schooner and things like that, so I can see what you're like. Did you ever have to shoot a cannonball? Anybody?

Lindsay 29:45
Actually, we did. We had a small cannon. Um, we didn't shoot cannonball. But we did have a small cannon that we would shoot off if, like one of our sister ships was nearby. There were a couple different ceremonies that that would be appropriate for and I don't remember what they were. But, um, yeah, we did all all sorts of stuff.

Scott Benner 30:09
I interject for a second for everybody who heard me ask the question and then thought in your head. That's such a stupid question, Scott. Don't be silly. I got an answer out of that. So this is why you ask stupid questions, because at some point, someone's gonna like, oh, yeah, we had a cannon. Because I didn't think you had a cat. And when I asked you that, just the boat looks like a pirate ship. So, you know, yeah. i Okay. See, this is for five months. Is that right?

Lindsay 30:36
Almost. Yeah, it was about four and a half months. Yep. You get

Scott Benner 30:41
back. Does everything about being a kid seem trivial now? Yes. Okay. So, I mean, I would imagine, right, like you had seen and done things that just aren't gonna happen again, I would think Tuesday in social studies, you'd be like, Oh, this Yeah. Okay. Just set an expectation up for life to be vigorous and challenging.

Lindsay 31:08
Absolutely. It. It always. It pushed everything out. So I was like, wow, I could literally do, I could do anything. And if you've ever seen the movie, Castaway, he's, he's on the island. He makes it he gets home. And he's like, playing with like the light switch or something in the bedroom. He's like, he doesn't know what to do with himself. Right? He's been totally immersed in this environment. That took so much just adaptation and so much mental fortitude. And then all of a sudden, it's like, oh, we have electricity. Like, yeah, we have running water, we have a shower. I have clean sheets. And it sounds kind of silly. But it's even after four and a half months, it was a little bit of a readjustment. Getting back home,

Scott Benner 32:01
I would imagine I missed the first thing. I wondered, when when you told me how long it was, I felt like a week or two is a is you know, like a fun vacation. But once two months, turns into three months turns into four months. Now, this is what you're doing. And I imagine things have came up during that time, that we're not exactly, you know, I'm sure they were powerless to some degree and needed to be dealt with. And then I mean, and then cleaning your room and doing the laundry probably seems pretty.

Lindsay 32:32
Yeah. Yeah. And it, it really, it put it put it into perspective for me. And I'm sure a lot of people will agree for people who are in the military that are deployed, and see combat and deal with all sorts of different things or anything like that any any kind of situation where you're, you're away, you're working hard, you're pushing the limits, and especially people who are away for so long, and then they come back. I mean, I couldn't even imagine if I was if I was gone for four years. Right? Um, I adjustment must be absolutely incredible.

Scott Benner 33:08
Because that boat, that boat starts to become home. Absolutely. Yeah. And all the things that you have to do and the people you do it with. It's it's the quick adaptation is kind of one of the great things about being a person is it how quickly you can adapt to things if you if you are willing and or and or don't have the opportunity to say no to it. Yeah. You know, just can't fight it. Really, I guess is the idea.

Lindsay 33:33
You can't fight it. You have to adapt. And yeah, that's what we're trying to do. And, and we all do it. We all can do it with a little bit of, I guess, training of the brain and just you know, dealing with it. And yeah, you'll make it through. Absolutely.

Scott Benner 33:50
So what did that lead to? Then? What what's the next adventure you took after that?

Lindsay 33:55
So I after that, I can't think of a specific adventure right after that.

Scott Benner 34:02
You go to bars or anything? No, I

Lindsay 34:04
did not. Do not not yet. Um, after that, though, I had so much see time. And that's time actually documented time on the ocean. I went and got my captain's license from the US Coast Guard. So it took a little while I also had to, I had to take classes, I had to go through a lot of different training. And I did that with the help of you know, being able to sail here and knowing a lot of people with boats here in New Jersey. So I did that. I when I was 18 Yeah 18 I got my my first captain's license. It's called a six pack license so you can take out six people for hire on a limited size boat. And then when I was 19, I ended up upgrading to what's called 100 ton masters captain's license. And that was awarded to me as well, because I had so much time and experience on the water. And that was something that I mean, diabetes related, dealing with the United States Coast Guard and their application process, being a diabetic was actually really difficult. Um, it was quite a task.

Scott Benner 35:27
Lots of proving and reproving and doctor's notes and things like that, or,

Lindsay 35:32
yeah, yeah. So, I mean, they're giving you a piece of paper that is saying that you are responsible for lives of, you know, so many people up to 100 nautical miles out to sea, and they want to know that you're not going to go low and pass out. They want to know that your vision is where it should be. And there's a lot of risk in in doing that for them. And I do understand that. But I was successful. In doing that I actually had to provide all of my medical records from when I was a kid up until that point, and just write endless amounts of blood sugar logs and explanations and everything.

Scott Benner 36:18
What did you end up doing with the license? Did you start fishing the oceans? Or

Lindsay 36:23
no, no, I didn't know I actually, I still have it. I still have it. I still, I still record my sea time. Anytime I'm out. I still, you know, keep a record of it. So that's how I keep my license active. But I don't have a career doing pirate things. Just I sell real estate.

Scott Benner 36:41
Was it just one of those? I sell real estate? Was it just one of those things that you had the time and you were a kid, and it was another thing to try to accomplish? And so you just kept it's almost like playing soccer your whole life and then one day just going I'm not gonna play soccer anymore.

Lindsay 36:57
Yeah, I definitely wanted to it was a huge accomplishment that I wanted to, you know, really gone. And just to prove it, I there was also a point in time where I thought well, maybe maybe I could do something like this for living. I'd love I love to teach sailing. I would love to have a business like that, you know, something along those lines, but I never ended up doing anything like that. And at this point, it's something that I have a decent amount of knowledge about. That will only make me a better boater. You know, like, if I'm out with a friend or on on our future sailboat that we wish to get. Um, it just it only adds to the, you know, feeling of being able,

Scott Benner 37:42
I think it's amazing to have comfort level around something like that. I don't think I'm if I'm gonna be honest, let me think. I don't think I'm comfortable more than about. I'm gonna say 40 yards off the coast. Yeah, that's pretty good. Yeah, that's about where my comfort level ends. Like when you said you jumped in the water to bathe. I was like, why would anyone do

Lindsay 38:07
it's such a weird thing to because you're like, wow, it's it could be so deep underneath your your feet.

Scott Benner 38:12
Sharks. That's all I was really thinking. So, yeah, how many people have you seen killed by sharks?

Lindsay 38:20
None. Really? Okay. Yeah. I don't want I don't want to see No,

Scott Benner 38:24
no, no, I just imagined happened every day. Like one of the kids felt like oh, there goes Jill. Boom. There she goes. She Oh, Hi, Jill. I understand. That's not how it works. It's just that unknown darkness thing is yeah, oh, yeah. A little more than my brain can can wrap itself around. I actually thought I was gonna die very close to St. Thomas once while snorkeling because you said you flew into St. Thomas. So once or twice in my life I vacationed in St. John, which is an island right nearby with my sunlight were snorkeling. And this mass came at us. And I'm I'm not over exaggerating that the mass looked like it might be 25 or 30 feet across and high. And it was kind of round and I thought, Oh, I didn't know animal this big existed. We're all gonna die. And it was coming at us. And we were like, you know, he was younger, but I'll say he was clutching me, but you know, maybe I was holding on to him as well. And, and but it was a school of puffer fish. But at a slight distance. It looked like one mass. Now once it came past me, I was like, this is beautiful. Yeah. And they're adorable. And then I soaked it in and we swam with them for a little bit and I got right back to the beach.

Lindsay 39:38
Yeah, well, yeah, that's that's scary. You don't know what's out there.

Scott Benner 39:43
What's what I'm saying? So you just take that's how dirty you had to be to jump in the waters. But I'm thinking like, this is worth it. I'm getting in. You kind

Lindsay 39:51
of Yeah, you have to. But it is it's something like you really don't have to. I mean, you could you'd be fine. If you didn't shower like every day now I'm charging everyday now, but oh, now

Scott Benner 40:03
you're up on it now. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, yeah.

Lindsay 40:07
The trip turned me into like, a little bit of a princess if we travel and like I only want a really nice hotel, it's got to have a really nice bathroom.

Scott Benner 40:16
Yeah, I'm not cleaning out my bits in the ocean again. Thank you. Were you an anomaly on that trip as far as medical issues? or were there other people?

Lindsay 40:27
Somewhere? Yeah, I was the only type one. I'm not sure. I think they have had several type ones through the years. But yeah, I was the only one on our trip. And, you know, of course, there were a couple other people who had to take prescription medication from time to time for whatever migraines or something like that. But other than that, yeah, I was, I was working with one of the crew. Her names charity, she was an amazing woman, she was an RN, and also somebody who had spent a lot of time on the Water Sailing. And she and I work together every day, I would go and meet her and test and she would keep track of everything. And she would help me just kind of manage as best as possible. And I don't think I had any real issues. With management I did. I never had any serious lows or serious highs, it was all pretty, pretty well done, I guess,

Scott Benner 41:28
even with the transition to the other insulin. Mm hmm. Yeah, it's this company still, like they still do this?

Lindsay 41:34
Yeah, they do. And I actually follow them on Instagram, they, they just posted today that they were right off of our coast, right off of the New Jersey coast. So they do shorter term trips. They'll do like a trip from Florida to Maine. And they'll do it a lot faster than our trip was done maybe in like the course of a month or so. But they take high school and college kids out. For all these experiences.

Scott Benner 42:04
Do you think that a lot of these people turn into people who work on the water as adults? Or is this just like a floating hippie commune for kids? Exactly?

Lindsay 42:15
Um, that's a really good question. So I'm sure a lot of people are kind of driven to do something like that. If you love being on the ocean, if you love living near the ocean, then yeah, you may end up doing something that involves that. But I know just from keeping, keeping in touch with a lot of the people that I was on the on the boat with. One works for a sailing magazine, one's a professional skier. A lot of people have, you know, financial positions and all sorts of different stuff. So it's cool to see everybody, you know, doing their own thing. And I feel like, all of those people are also all out doing new stuff. They're they're not staying in a comfort zone. They're always kind of looking for the next thing,

Scott Benner 43:02
right? That's really fascinating. I genuinely can't wrap my head around it. But I think that's just how I grew up, you know. So everything you've said so far, in my mind makes you eligible to be institutionalized. But, but it's fascinating, and I really, I, there's part of me that wishes that it sounded to me like oh, my gosh, yes, let's do something like that right away. Yeah. But um, it's, you've always been like that.

Lindsay 43:33
Yeah, yeah. And I, honestly, I think I have that sort of drive and curiosity from being a type one. I just diagnosed at six years old. It literally almost meant nothing to me. I was like, Okay, this is this is life now, whatever. And it's always presented challenges that I've obviously had to overcome. And in doing that, it's kind of the same concept. All right, well, we made it through that lets you know, what's the next thing and then it becomes just things become normal. Not I don't wanna say problems, but any kind of like next. Next adventure. Next challenge is the same premise

Scott Benner 44:21
speed bumps, right? Something happens, you're just like, Okay, we'll take care of this. And then we'll go to the next thing. And I but that one takes a special person. I mean, somebody who's, I don't know fine tuned for that kind of experience, because there are plenty of people who would get diabetes when they were six and grow up and just be burdened by it the entire time. Why did your parents do anything? It's so hard for me to imagine your parents as being valuable because it seems like they were just like, What are you want to do? Yeah, sure, go by. But I'm sure they weren't like that. Like what did they do for your diabetes? In your room? Oh

Lindsay 44:56
my gosh, my mom, both my mom and dad Were super involved in, in my care. They weren't, they never hovered over me. So they never, you know, they weren't ever like, oh, you need to report back to me about this. And that never was it like that. But somehow they found a balance of just being able to guide me, I guess even as a six year old. So, yeah, my mom was involved with getting my friends involved, and, you know, helping helping me figure out the right ways, and the wrong ways to do things and, you know, solving those problems.

Scott Benner 45:37
Um, back then, though, really, it was I end up saying this a lot. But like, it's if once he gets dizzy, make sure she eats something like it was that kind of thing. Regular and mph days, right? Yeah.

Lindsay 45:48
Yeah, it was, it was Yeah. You know, do you not feel right? If you don't feel right, you have to go down to the nurse or tell your friends. And you know, just say something. Don't wait until you can say something. And, yeah, when you're so little. And I don't know if this is all kids. I really don't I don't we don't have children of our own yet. But I was so little. And I was like, alright, well, that that sounds fine to me, I'll do that. It wasn't like, I didn't want to do it. I always wanted to try and just be better. And learn as much as I quit about it. And I've, there's there were times in my life, especially as a teenager, where I was like, I don't I hate this, like, I don't want to do this anymore. We all we all get get to that spot. But um, you know, it would work itself out. And then you're like, Okay, I know, I need to do this. Do you think I'm gonna die?

Scott Benner 46:54
Yeah, there's a good reason. Do you think that the the ideas that are used now for management, they're more specific, and the outcomes are more easily tracked through things like variability in a one C and stuff like that? Do you think that it was easier as a child because that wasn't part of it? Yes, yeah. And the expectation was, just, it's it's kind of, it's interesting, because it's, it's one of those ideas that gives one hand takes away the other because it's easier because they didn't have the ability to to be finer with, with decisions. And at the same time, many more people were having worse long term outcomes because of it. Yeah, but you got to just go out on that boat. Like it was nothing.

Lindsay 47:44
Yeah. And that goes for everything. When I was little, when I think back about it. Um, there was there, you weren't given a lot of details. So even if I was testing six or seven times a day, which was probably pretty normal. Yeah. You weren't given the whole picture. And in not getting the whole picture, you're, you're okay with what you're seeing, then it's, it's done. You don't have to think about it anymore. So there's a lot less stress and kind of, there's a little bit of more detachment to that. Those specifics, but now, I mean, I'm checking my Dexcom all the time. Every day, I couldn't even tell you how many times I check it in the day, my endocrinologist asked me when I go to see her and I'm like, I don't know maybe 100 I have no idea. It's a lot.

Scott Benner 48:37
You got to get your we got to get your alarm somewhere where you can where you don't look if it's not beeping, so when

Lindsay 48:44
I turned my alarms off, and I just I mean, I have my my goal range pretty tight. But I turned my alarms off and I just I just look takes it takes a millisecond look alright on

Scott Benner 48:57
just stay in it like that. And that and that's good for you. So if it works, then it works. And that's perfect. Yeah, yeah, no kidding. Okay, ready? Let's make up a scenario. You and this boy, make a baby. It grows up. 15 years old. It has diabetes. It's wearing a CGM, an insulin pump and your made up son or daughter says, I want to go to St. Thomas get on a boat and then sail back to Maine. I'm going to be gone for five months. You go. Yes, sir.

Lindsay 49:34
Be honest. So I we would obviously discuss it together. But I would feel confident in that happening.

Scott Benner 49:47
How are you keeping some cold on a boat?

Lindsay 49:51
Oh, that's a good question we had what did we have? We had some kind of refrigeration system I'm

Scott Benner 50:00
thinking and I think generator the boat, maybe

Lindsay 50:03
we did we had a generator. But I think my insulin was actually just kept in a cooler bag that we changed out the, like freezer packs to as much as we needed to.

Scott Benner 50:17
Okay, so you were on top of that as well. That probably felt a little dire right because of it. I mean, you must have thought if it gets warm, it's going on where am I going to get more from?

Lindsay 50:28
So I don't think I was actually thinking about that at that time.

Scott Benner 50:33
Is it? Is it possible? I should call this this episode? Ignorance is bliss.

Lindsay 50:38
Yeah. Totally. I don't think I'm sure. My parents thought about that. And, and the crew and the, you know, the nurse.

Scott Benner 50:50
I gotcha.

Lindsay 50:51
I'm sure it was planned out.

Scott Benner 50:52
Yeah, not you. I got I thought in my mind, it was tied to a fish. And then, and then the fish was tied to the boat. And then that's, I don't know why you'd have to put the fish in the line. I just that's how it was in my head. And, you know, I guess because of the Little Mermaid, I thought maybe the fish would just stay with you keep the insulin in a cooler part of the ocean and come up when you wouldn't have been. In my cartoon that's out happens.

Unknown Speaker 51:17
I love it.

Scott Benner 51:18
I've watched that. Of course you would. But I'm trying to imagine putting art in I think the five months thing. Okay. Right, I can figure that out. The distance thing? Okay. In my mind is the boat part. Right? No, that's not sensible. But that's the part that sticks with me.

Lindsay 51:44
Yeah, I don't, I don't blame you. I mean, that that's a huge variable. But it's still, you're still gonna manage basically the same way. You're still gonna do the best you can and be mindful and use the tools that you have. And, you know, it's, it'd be different if somebody was like, I'm going to put you on a on a desert island with, you know, limited supplies. All right, well, that's probably not going to work. But yeah, it can be done. And you know, if we have a baby, who's type one, like the thought of that doesn't really scare me. And although that may change, right now, if I think about it, it's just like another challenge, right? So we need to we need to figure this out. And we will cool.

Scott Benner 52:42
If all I can think during this whole thing is about all the people I've seen over all of the years, say like we're going on vacation, I'm so scared. I don't know what the and they're going to Disney or they're going to you know, yeah, we're going to the beach for two days. I'm so worried about diabetes, and you're just like, I got on a boat. I was there for five months. You know, I couldn't really wash myself. Anyway. It was fine.

Lindsay 53:11
Yeah, we did. We did fine. We did the best we could and that's it.

Scott Benner 53:16
Really great message in this that that I hope is coming through you know, and and what it left you with and it's carried with you? It seems like your whole life like that there's this idea that nothing had happened to you that you couldn't figure out because you got put into a situation where you had to learn a bunch of stuff you didn't know why you were basically abandoned on a floating Deathtrap because seriously for anyone who doesn't think boat and then their next thought isn't boat could leak all die. I don't understand your thought process. That would be in anything though. Oh, sure. plane plane gets hold on it. I die. No, no, I've gone through all of it. Don't worry car car crashes into something. I don't worry. I've got it all worked out. I'm not saying live a life of fear. I'm just saying I've been on a ship. I've been out in the ocean. I've you know, I've been in airplanes. I will go on an airplane again very soon. You know that? I'm not scared. I don't do it. But it's if that's the first thing you don't consider while you're considering the grand scheme of it. I don't get people who don't do that. Like the ocean is endless. It goes so far. There's really no and there's no oxygen there. I don't know if anyone knows that or not. There's no

Lindsay 54:36
zero. Yeah, it is quite daunting.

Scott Benner 54:40
I can't wait for you to have a kid who's like real timid and like scare everything.

Lindsay 54:46
Well, we're we're getting a puppy. I'm in a couple of weeks. And we're like, you know, we're going to get this dog out to the beach and on the kayak and anywhere in the pool and with any kind of situation so that we can have a you know, a dog who's a companion for adventures?

Scott Benner 55:09
I think that's a lovely idea. I think so. Everyone should start with a test dog.

Lindsay 55:15
Yeah. Before before the kid.

Scott Benner 55:17
Yeah. I don't know your Do you think you want? Do you want children?

Lindsay 55:22
Yeah, we do. Probably not right away, although I am 34. So I know, you know, time maybe a little bit. Yeah, on my side,

Scott Benner 55:32
you got to be careful. I will tell you a daunting story of me planting a bush this week. And my hamstring being tight for three days afterwards. So you're very little time left? Oh, no. Oh, it was that bad? Well, I mean, I had to bend over a number of times. So

Lindsay 55:53
yeah, that's tough. Oh, you

Scott Benner 55:55
have no idea. And it got so like, two days after, I want to be clear. I was outside all day bending over not just for one bush. But that's doesn't make the story much better. But like a day or so later, it was just so tight. And I said to our No, Mike, I'm gonna lay down on the floor. Oh, yeah. Put your knee into my hamstring. Yes, bullshit. And as much as I scream, don't stop. Just just keep going. And by the time it was over, I was just like, wailing like a five year old. Like Stop, stop, stop. She's like, you told me not to stop. I was like, Get off.

Lindsay 56:37
Better now. And

Scott Benner 56:38
that really actually helped it a lot. Yeah, sorry. Good. Yeah. You know, and some people use like little massage guns. I just I used the massage Arnie. I was like, hey, yeah, jam it in there until I can't feel it anymore. Nope. Yeah. Okay. Anyway, my point is, you're gonna get old fast. And in the last, like, in the run up to 50 it happens really quickly. Yeah, all right. Yeah. And you got like a nine year old and he's like, I want to get up early. And then I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna do that. You're gonna be like, um, I used to be on I once. I can't leave me alone. Oh, no. Anyway, I'm sure it'll be fine. You're probably in much better shape than I mean, obviously, most people are in better shape than me. But I assume that you are. Well, you run right, like a lunatic?

Lindsay 57:23
Oh, yeah. Definitely a huge part of my life. Definitely huge part of my diabetic life. started running about 11 years ago, I woke up one day, I was like, I don't like my body, I, you know, I need to lose a couple of pounds. I just I want to feel better. So I just started running. And from that point, I kept going. And eventually you hit a certain point in running where you get in shape, and it becomes a little bit easier and then easier, and it just really just builds on itself. And it's it's therapeutic for me. And it's great for bringing sugars down. It's great for my management, stress levels, whatever. There's a billion different things.

Scott Benner 58:17
You're like two story shy being Forrest Gump.

Lindsay 58:22
So last year, I Well, actually, I've run I've run a lot of different races. But I I've run a couple of full marathons. Actually three of them the New Jersey marathon, I've done three times. And then last year, when COVID started in March, I was stressed, I was worried about my business and you know, just it was stressful. So I just went out and I ran, and I ran my own marathon alone 26.2 miles on May 17. And it was absolutely amazing.

Scott Benner 59:01
The Lindsay Invitational

Lindsay 59:03
It was literally just me. And it was awesome. There was nobody, nobody there. Nobody knew. Nobody cheering me on. And it was super cool. Oh, how long does that take? That took me just under four hours. It was about three hours and 54 minutes.

Scott Benner 59:24
And you didn't make you weren't telling people you're trying to see you're you're old enough that you didn't try to turn it into an Instagram account and get rich. You're just like, I'm gonna go for a run. Nobody else no see this.

Lindsay 59:37
Did it? I just told a couple of close friends just in case like so they knew I was out.

Scott Benner 59:43
Somebody could come find you if need be. Yeah,

Lindsay 59:45
yeah, just just in case. Um, but yeah, and I actually met my mom. Halfway through. She met me for some some energy gels and water and stuff. But other than that, I didn't tell anybody and then I got back and you know, of course I posted on social media then but, um, yeah, it was, it was awesome. And those things are totally, totally attainable for anybody as a type one diabetic.

Scott Benner 1:00:11
See, I'm what I'm hearing is young people need to hear is that everyone doesn't need to know what you're doing all the time. No one cares. Just go do your thing. And, and it's just as fulfilling when no one knows that you did it. Right.

Lindsay 1:00:23
It was more fulfilling doing it. In that in that setting? Okay. I mean, it was just, I went out, I didn't have a plan. I didn't have nobody knew. And it was like relaxing. Of course, it was difficult. I mean, three, almost four hours of running is difficult. But it was it was amazing. And I'm so glad I did it.

Scott Benner 1:00:48
Yeah. Okay, that's really cool. Did it carry you for a while through the the anxiety of like, Is nobody will? I'm assuming nobody was buying or selling their house, the beginning of COVID?

Lindsay 1:00:59
It did. Absolutely. I had a little well, I had a lot more time off. So that's why I was I was really able to do that and kind of trained for it a little bit. Yeah, absolutely helped. It helped to keep my mind busy. And when I'm sure runners agree. When you're out running, sometimes your mind just shuts off. Sometimes you're solving problems. Sometimes you're whatever, talking to yourself. But it's so yeah, I handled a lot of the stress through that those experiences. And then of course, it wasn't quite like totally dead, the real estate market, but um, towards the beginning of May last year, things really, really started to get busy. And it's just gotten absolutely busier and busier since then

Scott Benner 1:01:47
say now, right? Like this is it's approaching, like, would be considered a bubble at some point, right?

Lindsay 1:01:53
Yeah, it is. Um, it is. It's incredibly competitive. There's not enough homes on the market. And it's just gotten to the point where it's, it's just, it's crazy. I don't I don't know if it's really ever been like this. I

Scott Benner 1:02:08
spoke to a realtor recently, which was just coincidentally, but he told me that he sold a house that he described as terrible. And I was like, okay, he was just no one deserves that to live in this house. I was like, all right. He said, I sold it for $420,000. And yeah, to a person coming, trying to like escape the city. They were trying to get out of Brooklyn, I think. And he said the guy came, saw the house and said, Okay, and just gave him a check for it. Like it was just like that. And they he paid like 20% over what the other offer was. And the guy just kept reiterating. He goes, No one should have to live in this house. And I was like, okay, goes bad house bad house. And I was like, Yes, he is. But everything's so expensive right now. And the people who want to get out of the city really want to get out of the city. And they have money. Because you know, I mean, this is this is a person who I mean, for clarity is the person who apparently bought a foreign $20,000 house, and it was like a steal for them. Yeah, they were like, oh, here, take it out of the right pocket of my pants. Like, give me kind of like that, right? But still, the guys like the house is just a disaster. He goes, I don't even know what we'll do with it. Oh, my God. I was like, okay, yeah, but he wanted it that bad. So that's what's happening. People are just getting way more money. But the problem is if I decide, Oh, I'll sell my house make a bunch of money. I still have to go buy another house. And then I'm gonna overpay for that house. Yeah,

Lindsay 1:03:37
that's, that's a problem. That's a problem as far as just getting somebody avoiding somebody being homeless. If somebody wants to sell and make a lot of money. Yeah, they're going to be paying a lot of money for their new home. But they also the the mortgage interest rates are so low. So although you're paying a premium, your payment may not always reflect that your monthly payment. Yeah, it's, it's, it's incredible. I mean, it's just I'd love to see studies on this, in the future, just how this thing happened. And a lot of these people, there's a lot of people here who are moving from the city. But a lot of my clients are people who were quarantined, who are home, they're working from home, they're trying to work out at home, and they're like, Man, this house sucks. We need a new house.

Scott Benner 1:04:27
They want more space, or or yeah, we're stuff. We refinance during the I don't know why my voice just broke like that. But we refinance during COVID and opted to keep our payment the same and knock yours off. Okay, so yeah, that was you know, but there was such an interest rate reduction, that without my without my payment moving. I think we knocked seven years off the mortgage. That's amazing. Yeah. So it's like, Alright, let's do that. You know? Yeah. Good for you. Something good is gonna come out of this. Absolutely. So I was like, Alright, let me do that. But yeah, I'm fascinated by that idea, because I guess you could sell and then rent until everything goes the other way and then take advantage of somebody disastrous decision during the bubble, which sounds horrible, but I guess that's the only real way to make money on the sale and not lose it on the purchase.

Lindsay 1:05:19
Yeah, rentals are tough now to run. I'm sure like, New Jersey's probably the highest price. Everything rental sales, you name it. I mean, people are probably listening from around the country saying 420,000 will get you like a mansion.

Scott Benner 1:05:35
Yeah, there's someplace here. Yeah. knows this stuff's expensive. And doesn't New Jersey to have that weird law. Like if you sell your house and leave the state don't have to pay a penalty.

Lindsay 1:05:47
Yes, and no. There's a lot of stipulations to that. Um, yeah, I mean, whole other conversation. But yeah, there's

Scott Benner 1:05:56
no way around it. Cuz I am gonna get the hell out of here at some point. Are you I know you were born here, but I wasn't.

Unknown Speaker 1:06:04
Where do you want to go?

Scott Benner 1:06:05
somewhere warm, but not, but not humid, somewhere where it won't snow and where I have some sort of access to the ocean for my wife. Okay, so I don't care where that is to be perfectly honest, as long as it fulfills those ideas. Sounds good to me. So I mean, I would move to, like, if I was a wealthy person, I would move to a place like Wyoming in the summer, and then I would bug the hell out of there before it froze over and go somewhere else. Like if I had like, a perfect scenario would be like, I'm sure all of us. I'm saying this. Like, I'm special. I would like to chase the weather if I could. But I also I also when I think of that, in my head, I go until I get so old that one day, I'm just like, oh, I'll just sit here and freeze. Never mind. I don't feel like making the trip. Forget about it. You have no idea what's about to happen in the next 15 years.

Lindsay 1:06:55
Oh, gosh, it sounds it sounds tough.

Scott Benner 1:06:59
I it's not? Yeah, it's not unpleasant. I like being older. Better than I like being younger. Okay, but I would like to be able to shape how I felt when I was younger, into my knowledge from when I was older. That makes sense. Yeah. And I don't know, that's not gonna happen. So I'm just gonna wither away with all these thoughts in my head. Oh, no.

Lindsay 1:07:22
You're doing amazing things. So I should be proud of yourself.

Scott Benner 1:07:25
Oh, you're very nice. i That's I appreciate that. Thank you. Of course. I'm gonna let you out of this. I appreciate you doing this twice with me. I think you might be the only one I've ever done something twice with but you float on a boat for five months. I was like, That can't be something we don't find out more about. So I think you're I think you're kind of amazing for doing that. Oh my gosh, yeah. Oh, even though i i imagine at that age, you didn't think so? Right? You just thought like, this is cool when I don't have to go to high school for five months.

Lindsay 1:07:56
Yeah, kind of. Yeah.

Scott Benner 1:07:58
It was more amazing than you thought. So.

Lindsay 1:08:01
Well, thank you so much. I'm glad to be back. And I appreciate again, everything that you're doing with the podcast. It's it's awesome.

Scott Benner 1:08:09
And the Facebook page. Isn't that nice? How nicely Yeah, we got a little something a little bonus out of the podcast on that Facebook page. Yeah, yeah. I'm pretty thrilled that there. It is. So repetitive for me. It's not for other people. It is for me, like because new people come in and they ask questions and like, there's this little bit of me, you should see me like, I'll see it pop up. And I'll think I'm going to answer that if no one else does. But oh my God, I hope someone else answers this. Because I am not a full time like, like, I'm not Dear Abby, you know what I mean? Like, you, you. There's so much traffic in there. There is it could be. And I looked at it the other day, like I looked in on it a couple of times other day. And I was like, Oh, look, somebody got celebrating a sec, congratulations. I see a question I can answer fully with one I'll answer. Sometimes I see questions where I'm like, Oh, I could I could ask another question that would make people think a little bit like I'll do stuff like that. But I realized the other day, like I can't keep up with this page. Like it's just it would be a full time job. Like you'd have to pay somebody to stare at it 24 hours a day, to keep up with what's happening on it. It's really fascinating. So that's awesome. It perpetuates itself and keeps itself alive. So I'm happy Absolutely. But anyway, I appreciate you appreciating

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