#1122 Zinc Transporter

Doug has type 1 diabetes, anxiety and depression.

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Scott Benner 0:00
Hello friends. Ooh, what happened to my voice there? Whatever. Welcome to Episode 1122 of the Juicebox Podcast

when you go to the doctor with back pain, you don't expect to leave with diabetes. But that's what happened to Doug. He was diagnosed two years ago. And today we're going to find out all about it. I have a note here for myself to call this episode zinc transporter. I wonder what that's about? I really don't remember. Nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise, always consult a physician before making any changes to your health care plan. Don't forget to save 40% off of your entire order at cozy earth.com. All you have to do is use the offer code juice box at checkout. That's juice box at checkout to save 40% at cozy earth.com. When you place your first order for ag one with my link, you'll get five free travel packs and a free year supply of vitamin D. Drink ag one.com/juice box. Don't forget to check out the Juicebox Podcast private group, public page Instagram account and tick tock it's all at Juicebox Podcast you'll find it you notice search. If you've been listening and enjoying but you aren't subscribed, you're following in an audio app. Oh evey is mirror you have to follow and subscribe. How did you like my English? I don't think it was good. Today's episode of The Juicebox Podcast is sponsored by the contour next gen blood glucose meter. This is the meter that my daughter has on her person right now. It is incredibly accurate and waiting for you at contour next one.com/juice box. This show is sponsored today by the glucagon that my daughter carries. G voc hypo pen. Find out more at G voc glucagon.com. Forward slash juice box. My

Doug 2:04
name is Doug. I'm 41 from Central Jersey and I was diagnosed about two years ago with type one.

Scott Benner 2:11
I don't usually like to do this, Doug, but could you and I'd be doing this in person.

Doug 2:15
We probably could. I'm near like the Pennsylvania border. I moved I'm from North Jersey but I kind of got tired of like that. Super fast paced, very angry sort of, sort of vibe up there. So I moved down to like Central about a year and a half ago and I'm loving it. There's like I got a bison farm down the street. You would never think this was jersey. It's crazy.

Scott Benner 2:35
People make fun in New Jersey. I gotta be honest, I guess it's because all the pharmaceutical companies, but I don't. I don't know why. It's gorgeous here.

Doug 2:45
They don't know this area. I think they think of like the Turnpike, like Newark Airport, you know, all that kind of stuff. Yes. Like, they would never think this jersey. So it's like a little hidden gem? Yeah,

Scott Benner 2:56
no kidding. Do you ever think just going a little farther into Pennsylvania and saving all the taxes? You

Doug 3:01
know, it's funny you say that I've been I've been looking at that exact thing because they just keep raising the rent because they tell me that like a lot of people keep moving here from the north. And so the demand is just getting busier and busier. And so I was just looking in like Allentown to see you know, the price and the prices are significantly lower.

Scott Benner 3:18
Well, the and the taxes are significantly lowered when my wife and I are getting out of here as as possible.

Doug 3:23
The one thing I would say is you gotta watch out for the roads over there, though. There's potholes everywhere. It's like, your car might explode, but you'd be paying less taxes

Scott Benner 3:29
I can I can I can regain tax money and then lose it again on an accident. Exactly. It's incredibly interesting, because what you just said, people come from the north. The north is basically people who work in the city. Those people make exorbitant amounts of money. And then they move a little south and they see a house that's, you know, a million dollar house and they go oh my god, I didn't know this was gonna be so cheap. And you're like, my house is not worth nearly this much. But I'd Yeah, I'd be happy to sell it to you. Yeah, that would be. It happened a ton during I knew a realtor that during COVID made his lifetime during COVID Because you're so busy. I mean, oh, because New Yorkers were coming down south buying $200,000 houses for eight $900,000 Because they wanted to get out of the city that badly. And the money didn't mean anything to them. That's amazing. Yeah, people in the rest of the country right now are like what the hell yeah, it's, it's also keep in mind that a bagel in New York City is $15 So you got to make a lot of money if you want to live there. Did you live? What was that? I was just gonna ask did you live right in the city or were you in Jersey?

Doug 4:45
I was in Jersey I was in Hackensack and Bloomfield. Okay, so just close enough to like, all the prices but then not really close enough to like, do fun stuff in the city very easily or date people in the city. So it's kind of just the worst. I Out of all worlds, and I don't need were you there for work? Well, I work for a hospital system in North Jersey, so I was there. But like most of my job, I have a couple jobs. But most of my day job is mostly remote. So I didn't need to be there. It was more just like my family is there like my brother, sister, mom and dad and stuff. So I had just been there kind of my whole life, but I was never really happy there. And I had a couple of friends that actually lived down in this area. And they used to come here on weekends. And I was like, this is like a vacation. Yeah. And so you know, I just rent, I don't own anything. So when my lease was off, I was like, you know, screw it. Let me just try something. And I will say, I'm happy I did it. It's just, my friends give me a hard time because I'm 41. And I'm single. And they're like, So you moved to an area from an area with like, all the people you could ever meet to an area with no single women. And so like they call that like a duck decision. In logical that I do

Scott Benner 5:54
so well, Doug, when you're more relaxed and have extra money, the ladies will flock to you.

Doug 6:00
I'm gonna I'm gonna hope that's the case. Don't

Scott Benner 6:02
forget to go outside or that won't happen, by the way. But you have. I have sort of two thoughts and then we'll move on one. Anyone who's ever heard my friend Adam Needleman on the show, who's who's a pediatrician. We'll finish this episode. Really put Doug's voice in your head, then go listen to Adam. Okay, you guys have a very kind of classic Jersey accent? Do we really you and he sounded almost exactly like it's freaking me out. Actually. I'm

Doug 6:32
gonna definitely listen to that. Because I feel like I've listened to almost all your episodes, and that one doesn't ring a bell. So I'm gonna go back and check it out.

Scott Benner 6:37
I swear to God, it's he was on talking about a couple of things over the years. One time it was COVID. I don't know how much of that will even be accurate now, because it was like as COVID was happening, and people were like, What should I do, but it's just a fascinating anyway, um, but it's always interesting. I'm going to try not to call you out. And while we're doing this, that's that Michael won't take offense 25 years ago. The other thing I want to tell you is that my wife got a job in Manhattan. She we never lived in Manhattan, she didn't stay in Manhattan very long. She didn't like it. We looked at an apartment. There we were kids, you know, and the apartment. I don't know a way to say this. If you put a king sized bed in the bedroom, there may have been a foot and a half at the foot of the bed to the wall, and three and three feet on one side of the bed to the door and the other side would have been up against the wall. Then you'd walk out into another room that was a little larger than that, that encompassed your living space. And a kitchen where the toilet was in the kitchen. And 25 years ago, that apartment cost $1,100 A month.

Doug 7:48
25 years ago. Holy

Scott Benner 7:49
cow. Yeah. And my wife, I grew up in the suburbs. We were like, we're not doing this. And wait. We like how long did you live there for we never moved into the city. We could not bring ourselves to spend that money. Okay, for that same amount of money. We bought a condominium in New Jersey. And we were like in our early 20s.

Doug 8:11
I can't believe that that long ago it cost that much. Yeah, that was insane.

Scott Benner 8:15
And then by the way, the condo appreciated like two years later, and we bugged out and made money.

Doug 8:19
So you don't you're not you don't regret that you didn't move in there.

Scott Benner 8:24
I think I'd be broke. Living in that apartment still and my children would be feral. That's what I was concerned about. So like, you're right,

Doug 8:31
you might have like, torn an ACL trying to get out of bed at some point, though, because there's just no room absolutely

Scott Benner 8:35
insane. Anyway, it was holy cow Craziest thing. And now, listen, now apartments overpriced. My son's, my son's in Atlanta. Now he won't be there very long. So I can tell you that because by the time I you hear this, he'll probably be gone. But his apartment is $1,300 a month. And it's probably three times as big as the one in New York that Kelly and I saw those years ago. And I'm still going to tell you his apartments and credibly overpriced.

Doug 9:06
Yeah, I can relate my mind is to the same deal. It's just I like to actually increase mine last year by like 600 bucks who said to nowhere, it's like what? Yeah, what can you do? But yeah, it's it's tough.

Scott Benner 9:18
I'll tell you that. I mean, Cole's not, you know, he's not raking it in or anything like that. And still, we're putting him in touch with a financial planner to try to get him to a point where you can own a house. Because otherwise, I mean, 15 1314 1500 is gonna go to 3000 in his lifetime. You know what I mean? Oh,

Doug 9:40
I think that's a great advice if you guys can help him do that early on. So

Scott Benner 9:43
I don't know what how it's gonna work out because like I said, he's not making that much money, but I figured, like, put him in that direction, maybe all figured out as he gets older now.

Doug 9:50
You know, I was wondering because I listened to all your stuff. So I know he's done with baseball. Is he? Is he missing like kind of a having a competitive outlet or did he find something new to do as Uh, you know, an athletic pursuit.

Scott Benner 10:02
He is playing pickup basketball in the city. Oh, cool. Yeah. So he, he's in a really tough situation like he's home right now, just for a couple of days. So it's the all star break while we're recording this. And because of that he had a few days off. And then he tacked on a couple of days to it and made himself like a little five day break where he could come home. Nice. So what I'll tell you is that he moved to Atlanta to take a job, and it was a job that's going to build his resume. It's great experience. I mean, you couldn't have turned it down if you were him coming out of college. But he moved to a place where he's completely and utterly by himself. Like, that's hard. Yeah. And so his buddies are all still here. They're all still getting together. He's watching them over like text chains like do things. And he is like he's by himself. And he gets to the job is not surprising to me. But over producing for them, so they move him out of the job that he was brought there and give him a higher up job. But because of that his schedule is completely different than all of the other people his age that came into the company. If you take insulin or sulfonylureas you are at risk for your blood sugar going too low. You need a safety net when it matters most. Be ready with G voc hypo pen. My daughter carries G voc hypo pen everywhere she goes, because it's a ready to use rescue pen for treating very low blood sugar and people with diabetes ages two and above that I trust. Low blood sugar emergencies can happen unexpectedly and they demand quick action. Luckily jeuveau Capo pen can be administered in two simple steps even by yourself in certain situations. Show those around you where you store G vo Capo pen and how to use it. They need to know how to use G vo Capo pen before an emergency situation happens. Learn more about why G vo Capo pen is in Ardens diabetes toolkit at G voc glucagon.com/juicebox. G voc shouldn't be used if you have a tumor in the gland on the top of your kidneys called a pheochromocytoma. Or if you have a tumor in your pancreas called an insulinoma. Visit G voc glucagon.com/risk For safety information. That contour next gen blood glucose meter is the meter that we use here. Arden has one with her at all times. I have one downstairs in the kitchen, just in case I want to check my blood sugar. And Arden has been at school, they're everywhere that she is contour next one.com/juice box test strips. And the meters themselves may be less expensive for you in cash out of your pocket than you're paying currently through your insurance for another meter, you can find out about that and much more at my link contour next one.com/juice box contour makes a number of fantastic and accurate meters. And their second chance test strips are absolutely my favorite part. What does that mean? If you go to get some blood, and maybe you touch it and I don't know, stumble with your hand and like slip off and go back, it doesn't impact the quality or accuracy of the test. So you can hit the blood not good enough, come back get the rest without impacting the accuracy of the test. That's right, you can touch the blood come back and get the rest and you're gonna get an absolutely accurate test. I think that's important because we all stumble and fumble at times, that's not a good reason to have to waste a test trip. And with a contour, next gen. You won't have to contour next.com forward slash juicebox you're gonna get a great reading without having to be perfect. So even the people he met at work is scheduled doesn't line up with them.

Doug 13:59
And it's like a result of working so hard because that was like his main focus because he was kind of by himself.

Scott Benner 14:05
I think it's a result of he's a really bright kid. He picked it up really fast. And they saw that they had brought him in for like a low level task. And they were like we can give him a lot more to do. So he was supposed to go down there and kind of have like this, you know, Vagabond lifestyle where he'd show up at work at like two in the afternoon and work till 10 at night or show up at five and work till midnight. And the next day it might be like 1pm till 8pm is going to be all over the place. He's going to work a couple of baseball games every day like pro games, and instead they gave him an office task that needs to be partially completed before the day starts. So my my 23 year old son who has never had a job before, is getting up at five o'clock in the morning starting at six and he's done it too. So not only is he exhausted when he gets home because he is not going to bed to get up at five o'clock in the morning. But he gets home everyone else He's working all night that he knows. And he's by himself in this apartment. So, yeah, that

Doug 15:05
does suck, but he's gonna I mean, it's such a good experience at the same time. It's a double edged sword, I guess. Yeah,

Scott Benner 15:09
no 100% Like, I know that and he's gonna get out of there. I'm actually taking him to the airport later today, where I'm going to, I'm going to talk to him before he goes and just tell him like, look, it's almost over. You know? Yeah, it was like, it was like a year posting the job. And he's got enough experience now that he can look for something closer to home that, you know, will will again build on to his experience. He's like, I can't stay here. He's like, they're not going to give me up fast. And often. I'm now just doing a task. So well.

Doug 15:37
It's amazing that he's he's done it and like that's kind of in the past now. And no matter what he does in the future, it can Becky I started off with busted my ass.

Scott Benner 15:44
Yeah, the really cool. Yeah, no, I think so too. As to your initial question. Because Cole is such a task oriented person. He was playing baseball to play more baseball. So when playing more baseball wasn't a goal. And I do I do honestly mean like he, he wanted to, you know, he was trying to diversify his talents. And he was pitching at the end. And I guess I've said it on here before, but his fastball was up to like 90 to 93 miles an hour. Wasn't really Yeah. And but he just was never, like, you know, his story is, is is simple. He grew late, he grew the rest of the way in college. So when he was recruiting, he looked small. He looked really skilled and small. And so a lot of places passed on him, he ended up going to a smaller school because of that. And then in his freshman year, pops up, gets more height and puts on a bunch of weight. And you don't see it as much, right. And so now all of a sudden, he's six feet tall, he's carrying 200 pounds while he's playing. He's pumping a baseball like crazy. And nobody sees them. He's in the middle of nowhere at a little school. And then the politics come in. And then kids whose parents make a donation to something are standing in your position while you're sitting on the bench. Because nobody cares about baseball here. It's not a thing. And, and then he's starting to talk about like, well, maybe I should transfer. But he's also a really good student and a bright kid. And he's taking a tough degree that you can't just get anywhere. So while we were trying to figure out putting him in the portal and getting him somewhere where he could actually continue that degree, but play better baseball COVID happen. Yeah, so just awful time. And then they shut down college sports. So while everybody else was sitting around, Cole was training on his own, and continuing to get better and better. And then they came back for his junior year, but they came back to this abbreviated like, 12 game season. And he said, if I go back for that, I lose a year of my eligibility. And I only played 12 games. So I'm gonna go back as a senior play a full season, and then hold two years of college eligibility afterwards. Except then during that time, he got hurt. Got it, then he had to spend all that time coming back from being hurt. And by the time he came back from being hurt, he got the play half of his senior season, where he was electric, like, amazing. And then it ended. And he didn't have enough time on the field to attract somebody at a big enough place to make it feel worth his while. So all of the grad school offers he got we're still at. They were medium sized schools now. Like they looked at him on tape. And they were like, Yes, please. And then they'd be like, send your stats. And then he's like, look, I only played like, half the season. And then like, Oh, that's not enough stats for us to go on. He said, Well, there it is. He's like, here's the video, I recorded everything I did for half the season. And he just couldn't get interest in a place where he thought he had an opportunity. And so and so then the rest of this is, I can't believe we're talking about this stuff. One day, he'll hear this when I'm dead. And he'll be like, that is what happened. So then he starts looking for jobs out of college decides I'm not going to go play in grad school. And he's trying to get jobs in Major League Baseball, which eventually becomes obvious, he just doesn't have enough experience for that they're hiring even at really low level people are being hired with a lot of experience. So so he's like, Well, I'm gonna have to go get the experience. But before you figure that out, he had applied and had moved through three rounds with the Phillies. He had moved through something with the Yankees. He was in the middle of moving through something with the Tampa Bay Rays when they gave him a task to do on his own. Okay, and the task that the rays gave him was look at the Rule five draft coming up and pick a pitcher and a position player that you think we should take in the Rule five draft Oh, wow. So cool. Has to examine the entire league, you know, by stats and his own have theories, he comes up with his options for them, he turns them in, he actually ends up choosing the position player that they took in the Rule five draft, which was amazing, but didn't matter. They didn't contact him about the job. But the thing that wasn't

Doug 20:15
enough of like a successful guess, task complete now, because

Scott Benner 20:18
he's 23. And he didn't have any experience. And they're literally hiring guys in their 30s, who have been piling up experience in other sectors in data. And then yeah, it's just they it's a cream of the crop situation, there are 500 people applying for like an entry level job that pays $15 an hour. And so like, they just have too many options. So anyway, that's what he figured out and he went, got this shot. But while he was doing that thing for the raise, he, like, kind of called me over one day, and he said, Hey, look at all these pictures. And he laid them out in front of me. And he's like, they throw just as hard as I do. And I'm like, right, because they're my size. It's like, some of them are taller, but I haven't I'm carrying enough body, like, right, he has, they all throw secondary pitches as well as I do. And I'm like, Alright, he's like, I've been looking at video of them, like all this stuff. And he goes, and nobody cares about them. They're on a trash heap, and they're already in the league. And I was, and I'm like, right, he goes, I don't have a chance. And I said, I mean, like, you know, I'm, I'm a dad, I'm like, I don't know, call doesn't mean you don't have a chance like blah, blah. Meanwhile, you know, if he's listening back to this, then I'm gone. And he misses me. And he's 40 years old. Like, what you probably didn't have a chance, you know, but I wouldn't told him that if he wanted to go do more training, I would have helped him do that. Like all that stuff. Like, I didn't have I have a tiny bit of success in my life. Part of what I do with it is I allow my kids to follow their heart. You know, it's really refreshing. Yeah. So but anyway, the problem ends up being is that he's so like, intellect like his, the way his intellect works. He suddenly was like, oh, there's no path with an ending that I desire. And that then just immediately became not an option to him anymore.

Doug 22:04
What an interesting way to come about that. He saw it himself and kind of acknowledged it. That's really interesting.

Scott Benner 22:11
I thought, it's one of the more proud moments I've had as a parent that I've never even said out loud to anybody. That yeah, he any. And it's not that he didn't miss baseball. But he just said, Okay, well, then I can't waste my time doing this thing that doesn't have a real opportunity to work out.

Doug 22:28
It's such a healthy way to, like, approach it. Good job. I

Scott Benner 22:33
am. Yeah, no kidding. It was crazy. And and I spent a little bit of your time telling that story. Because I think that's that's the that's the podcast story right there. Like, you know, understanding and not beating like he's not wasn't not willing to do the work. He wasn't not willing to take a risk. He was not willing to put that much effort into something that had such a low chance of working out. That's really great. Yeah. So anyway, thanks the Tampa Bay Rays. I appreciate it.

Doug 23:02
Well, nice start by you by instilling that like ability in him, you know, not everybody can recognize that kind of thing. So something you did raising him, taught him to think that way. So that's cool. I

Scott Benner 23:13
have no idea, man. But I was just like, I was heartbroken, by the way, because I watched it come over his face. Yeah, like, and I don't mean about baseball. Like I watched him realize, oh, there's a thing I love. And it's not going to work out. Right here. Yeah, it was really something. So. Anyway, diabetes,

Doug 23:32
Doug, how that happened. diabetes. Well, my my diagnosis story. Yeah, please. Sure. Well, everybody's interesting. So like, I remember, it's funny, because everyone I signed up for this. It was like, what, a year ago or something. And I haven't had this very long. So it was all so new at the time. But um, I. So I'm 41. And when I was, I guess 35. I started on a career change. So I am a web developer right now. And I still am full time. But I went to, I started going to school, on weekends for occupational therapy. And it was like a three or a four year program. And I had to do a bunch of prereqs. And I was working myself because I was working like crazy at my day job. And then I would study during all the weeknights, and then I would go to school on Friday night, Saturday, Sunday. And that kind of progressed for three years. And then I had to eventually when I graduated the academic part of my program, I had to quit my day job and do an internship, like a clinical internship to different spots for three months each. So I'm going through all this stuff, and it's really stressful. I'm a pretty anxious person as it is and so I also was really just trying to do a very good job because for years I had been struggling like what am I gonna do with my life? Like I'm a very, I like to help people and I never really felt like I was doing enough of it. And that's kind of where the return to school came from. So I was like, Alright, I'm not going to screw this up. I'm gonna really bust my essence and do well so I put it lot of pressure on myself. And so, long story short, I eventually graduated. And I took a job in the Bronx and was working at Montefiore. And it's like, I was commuting from, like I said, North Jersey into the Bronx every day, which is stressful in of itself. And then I'm working in a hospital and just seeing some crazy stuff and putting all my experience to work. And I'm loving it, because I'm like, finally get the chance to help people in doing this really important, sometimes scary stuff. But that's when I start to get really sick. And so you know, I don't know anything about diabetes at the time, I started actually having like a backache, because as a therapist, a lot of what you're doing is getting people out of bed in the hospital. And I'm like, I can't lift these people, like I'm gonna fall over, and then I'm gonna make them more injured. So I eventually go to the doctor, for a back back issue, thinking I'm just gonna get some pills or whatever, and I go take a urine test. She sees my results, and she sends me right to the emergency room. And then I you know, have like, 800 blood sugar. And they don't they don't tell me that I'm a dickhead, because I ended up going home that same day, but I remember like, the, the emergency room doctor being like, Oh, you don't have diabetes, because and I was in shape. And I didn't realize it, I had like, lost a bunch of weight by this point, maybe like 20 or 30 pounds. And long story short with that part is they ended up diagnosing, diagnosing with type two. And so this is I just gone through schools switch my career, and I'm doing this new thing. But now I'm like, Okay, I got health issues. So I'm doing something wrong. So I tried to get my diet even better. It already was like, really, really good. I tried to start exercising like crazy, which I already did. And it's not getting better. In fact, like, my vision starts to go, I lose more weight. I'm about to 15 right now. And I was down to like, 160. And I was just, I felt it was funny, because like, at first I'm like, I'm getting ripped. But then I was like, Okay, this is this is not right. So I had to it was really kind of defeating because I had done all this work to get a new degree and start a new career and essentially started a new life. And what I came to the conclusion was of was that, at least with the new career, I couldn't, couldn't do it and maintain my health, because part of it was like the routine was very inconsistent, like I didn't really have time to like, eat at a consistent basis, I was really, really stressed. And I knew that was affecting it. And like, I would always check my blood sugar via fingerstick. And it was just like, way too high. I'm like, I'm eating salads, like, what is this? Yeah. So I went on like that for three years. And then I so I left that job, I'd gone back to my old career, I was just doing rehab part time. And then about, I guess it was a year and a half or two years ago, I had another agency check. And again, like my diet had been unbelievable. And I was exercising like crazy. And at that point, I was so healthy. Like, my, my routine was so healthy, that I wasn't even checking blood sugars. Because I was like, how could it be bad? And so I went back to get a one C and it was 12. And that's when they were like, alright, we're giving you the antibody test. And so,

Scott Benner 27:54
Doug, how long? How long was that before you tell me about the antibody test? How long from you couldn't pick people up in the hospital till now, in this story? Three years, where you lot of you think at least? Yeah,

Doug 28:07
I think so. I was I found like a dietitian. And I switched my whole diet around. Because again, like thinking that it was type two, there was periods in there that I had good agencies like sixes. But I've always been such a structured, rigid person with all that stuff. So it's just very weird. And then I guess a lot of thing I was thinking also, because when I went in, I ended up getting the antibody tests, like the first one was negative, because I think the first one they do, there's like five antibodies, and the first one that they typically do, because it's a little bit more affordable. It's like Gad, 65, and whatever the other ones are, that are more common. Yep. And so I was negative for those. So I go, what's going on? So then they gave me the one for like, I think it's zinc transporter, and I did have that one. And then they gave me the C peptide test. And it was like point five, so like, Okay, you have type one, or you no adult onset type one. So yes, it was, you know, it was annoying, because I was like, Well, why can I gotten this test years ago. And now I advocate very strongly for all that with anybody that I know that has even somewhat relatable symptoms. It just makes no sense that they don't test that stuff right up front. But yeah, I remember. I remember when I first got the positive zinc thing I can remember just being like on Google all day long being like, looking for outs, you know, being like, is there any way that this doesn't mean I have type one, like, Could it just be a false positive? Could I just somehow get by without needing anything? Because I was terrified of being type one. Because that was like, you know, it's a big it's a big shift. And I don't know if I'm rambling or not, but

Scott Benner 29:39
don't Don't Don't worry about that. You're doing terrific. And you named the episode with that you don't know. Now, totally going to be called zinc transporter.

Doug 29:49
I like that.

Scott Benner 29:52
Makes me think of that bald guy in those movies that like, oh my god, what are those transporter movies?

Doug 29:59
I am a bald guy. So that works was perfect.

Scott Benner 30:00
The Transporter Bobby's with what is his name? Oh, Stata. Yes, Jason states exactly what I thought of when you said it. I was like, that's fantastic. All right.

Doug 30:09
I like that association. I can work with that.

Scott Benner 30:14
Well, give me a second, though. So, sure. Three years, you have you have type one diabetes for three years, and you're salivating and exercising your way through it. So obviously, it's a lot of because it hasn't hit you would you would have been dead by now. Like, yeah, so you're getting some help from your pancreas? Are they giving you any medication or they have you on Metformin or anything like that? I

Doug 30:37
was on Metformin and glipizide for a while, okay. And unbelievable amounts of exercise. Like I'm talking like, even after eating a salad, I remember, like, go into the bathroom of work and just doing squats until I feel like I had to sit down because I was so exhausted. And, you know, like, couple mile walks after lunch and stuff. And I remember like, coming back and check my blood sugar, like 250? Or how's this even possible? I didn't eat more than 10 carbs. So it was driving me crazy. So I was like, on the one hand, I was devastated that I, you know, had the positive antibodies, but on the other I was like, well, at least I actually know that it's going to help. Like, I need it. My body's just not making it but it wasn't any easier. And then, you know, at first, I got the it was just basil for maybe a month and had a bunch of lows, because you know, you're super sensitive when you just started insolence, like your body like, Oh, what's this insulin like? Now I can actually, like process all this stuff. Like, let me just do it really, really well. So I felt like I couldn't even move it first. Because, you know, taking a 20 foot walk felt like it was going to bring me love. So I'm

Scott Benner 31:43
saying you are miserable during this time, right? Like physically,

Doug 31:48
completely miserable. I mean, I, I could not see I've had LASIK. And I went back to glasses and even with glasses, like I couldn't see a thing. You know, the you know, the thing is that drives me the most crazy is a I was I was going to the bathroom all the time. But the biggest thing is like the hunger. I've heard other people on your podcast talk about it. It's like this insatiable hunger. Because when your body has no insulin, like it can't process the nutrients that you're eating, so you're never satisfied. So you just eat and eat and eat. And it's like this, this pain in the pit of your stomach that just can't be resolved. And it's awful. You can't sleep. I can't even think straight because I was so freaking hungry all the time. And that actually, you know, it's hard to not eat the wrong things when you're starving. Awesome. So, yeah, it was miserable.

Scott Benner 32:31
You started this whole, like story by telling me you're anxious. So yeah, has that gotten any better? Since you're on insulin? Well,

Doug 32:41
it's funny you say that? I would say no, but I understand it better. It's, you know, with Dexcom. And all that stuff, you get really good insight into like, what hormones and behavioral things are doing to your body. And I see significant spikes from from, from stress or, like, as an example. Like I've even like, like, even the news affects me like really, really bad. So I've tried to, like, isolate myself from a lot of things, because it's just like, you can see the cortisol spike, you know, you see something on the news and all sudden, you're, you're going straight up two hours, and I thought, gee, so I've, I've made a lot of lifestyle behavioral adjustments to sort of manage now that I know my body a lot better. Yeah. But it was in that first few months, where you're just like, you go through, I think the stages of grief, really, because you're just like, Alright, my life's over. Like, I can't just do whatever I want. I have to depend on this thing. I think that was the thing. It's like, depending on this external substances a little bit scary to like, tie your own life to something that you need a prescription for. Yeah, it's just a weird mental shift. But I had some really good connections at first that actually led me to the podcast. So the first one was my sister's fiance, or his, his brother is a pediatric endo at CHOP. And so I spoke to him and he kind of just gave me the lay of the land. He's like, Yeah, look, you're going to need mealtime insulin, not the end of the world, you're gonna eventually even want to pump just kind of gave me a sense of like, what to do, or what to expect. He also gave me the name of this guy that was starting this like meditation group for people with type one. And I joined that, and that actually really helped me it's like a zoom based meditation. And then I think I found I think I found your podcast on my own because I am. Like I said, I was doing a ton of research on like, type one. And once I eventually accepted the fact that I did have it, I was like, well, I need to learn about this. Because, you know, I like science. And I like understanding what's going on. So I eventually found your podcast and it was, it really was like a savior at first. I was binging it just binging it just episode after episode because I think the information you find online is scary and it's like clinical and dry and so you need like a voice to it and especially hearing other people that have it, you know, to learn about what what they've experienced and also like the way that that you and Jenny talk about how to do certain things like mechanically was really helpful, because that's not information I got from my Endo. So I had that your little intro song was like the most comforting thing ever. Back when I first got diagnosed, I would just like, that song would come out a bit, I would feel like my heart rate dropped a little bit and in a good way. So thank you for that, because it made a gigantic difference. And I feel like I'm an expert in type one. Now I feel like and I think it's a lot, you know, to thank for your podcast, as what started it. And now I try to tell everybody I meet about it. And I try to also share the information because I just think it's wild that it just should be default info, like type one diagnosis, find the podcast, you know, the endo should give you the podcast like

Scott Benner 35:44
I'm with to do that. Well, you're very welcome. I really do appreciate that you It was touching to hear you say that. Honestly, I actually made me think of a woman who told me recently that she finds my voice soothing, which I told my wife and my wife laughed. She's like, I hear you talking, I get pretty upset. I'm like, okay, but, but I didn't understand it. And I think you maybe just gave me more context into what she told me. It's comforting.

Doug 36:08
And how did how did you come up with that little intro song? Did you do that yourself?

Scott Benner 36:12
I met a man who worked in social media for a pharma company back when I was writing a blog about diabetes. He was the first person to tell to tell me that I was a caregiver. Like he said, he's like, we're interested in you because you're a caregiver of a person with type one. I never even thought of myself that way. Like just in that tone. And I think I ended up at some farm a meeting one time for bloggers, and I got to meet him. And I learned that he played music. And many, many years later, when I was making the podcast, I thought, oh, I want theme music. I wonder if Rob couldn't make me theme music. And I contacted him. And he said, Would you mind if I did it with my daughter? And she was like, gosh, she was like eight or nine at that time. She's in college now. It's crazy. And so his he sat down with his daughter, and they made the theme music together. That's awesome. Yeah. And she picked she picked the beats and stuff like that they put they put it together, he made a little ad bed for me and some outro music. And then I think like five or six years later, I sent them another email. I was like, Can you update this for me? And they sat down and they did it again. And they updated it. It's what it is now. I actually was just thinking for 1000 episodes. I wonder like, I wonder if I should update the music again? Not sure. But yeah, I mean,

Doug 37:41
I love it. No, I

Scott Benner 37:42
won't touch it, then I'm on you. Save me Save me time and money just now was what you did you order this,

Doug 37:48
I think you'd like, at least for me, maybe for the people you look for like some, like constant. That's like a reassuring, like comforting place where you can get information that's helpful. And like, that's what the podcast was. And I think that's what the music like, queued my brain into it's like, alright, this is like a, like a calmer, like, just, it's a good environment. And it just it always just like mentally reset you when you hear the music. So I was all for it.

Scott Benner 38:12
I also think that when people come on, even when they're telling like hellacious stories, they are still alive at the end of the story. And you know, exactly, and it's helpful because you're like, okay, so they went through this really bad thing. Like, they are some of my favorite things like the after darks. When you start listening. It's like watching Titanic, like you forget in the middle that the boats gonna sink, you know, right. And, and I think when you're listening to them, you can forget that their votes, not thinking like this person is on here to tell their complete story. And even though how it started was terrible. And what happened in the middle was sometimes insane. At the end, they are normally here to say like, Well, my agency 6.1 now and I'm doing so much better. And like, here's the things I've learned. And I find that really helpful. And Exactly, yeah. Anyway, I, I find it helpful. I don't I don't have diabetes, and I listen to these people. And I'm like, wow, like life is possible. You don't I mean, so? Well, that's really cool. Man. I'm, I'm so happy. I have a couple of questions before we move. Because if we move forward, I'm gonna lose my questions. Tools for your anxiety, you learned things you said to make it better? Can you describe what your anxiety is like first and then tell me what you did to help it? Well,

Doug 39:28
I have an overactive internal dialogue, that's for sure. And it's usually negative. A lot of it is stemming from like a fear of failure. And so I don't really have a good answer for that. That's, that's just there. It's always been there. I just, I work to like, try not to act out that those sort of things, you know, like, it's been a good factor in my life. It's made me successful that I think because I don't, ultimately I don't want to fail. Like I used to be a sports guy too. And I remember like, like before baseball games, like if I was pitching I would just throw up before every game you know. or everything I've ever done, it's been like that I can put a ridiculous amount of pressure on myself. And it leads to good things. But it's, you know, it takes a toll on your health. Sure. And ironically, we know that like nothing is ever certain with this type one. But when I was talking to my endo about, like, how does this happen to me like as an adult, and they're like, Well, you know, a lot of people have the genetic markers, in addition, like environmental stimuli that triggers it. And in my case, they said, it was probably like the prolonged stress from the work on the school. And so I think it's almost like sometimes a life lesson like, alright, well, I can't keep doing that. Because like, look what can happen. And so I think behavioral or like, structural things, like I said, like avoiding, like, the news or like, triggers of things that I know, sent me off is really helpful. I think, the meditation group that I'm a part of has helped me quite a bit, I'm terrible at meditating. But like, it helps even just to put down the phone and try to quiet the mind sometimes, or just accept it. I honestly feel like the best when I'm doing stuff for other people. So like, when I'm volunteering, or teaching, I'm like, kind of out of my own head. So like, the more things I can do to get out of my own head, the better. And then a lot of different physical activities, you know, like I exercise every day, I try to box I try to golf. But like, when I'm actively engaged in something like that, it's almost like something that, you know, once I'm into it, my brain can sort of, you know, ignore the pretty persistent negative thoughts, you know, like I was on all sorts of SSRIs for years and stuff, but I hated the side effects. I never really felt better anyway. And so I just kind of stopped that stuff. So I don't really have great answers, but I tried. So it's like, what I guess they teach us as you know, as occupational therapist is also a lot of like, our, our thoughts are a result of just what we're actually doing. So like, it doesn't have to be like a mindful thing all the time. Sometimes it can be just the way you structure your routine. That helps.

Scott Benner 41:46
Yeah, I I think it's very helpful the way you explained it. So don't apologize, please. Yeah, I, I'm, I'm just interested in anxiety, because of inflammation. Oh, yeah. And I wonder, that's kind of the connection, or like, I wondered if you have you so you've had it your whole life. The thing about the, like, the kind of negative mindset, you should just marry my wife like, she'll beat that. Right.

Doug 42:16
Because I don't know, it's pretty deeply ingrained.

Scott Benner 42:18
I don't know. She's, she's pretty vicious. So I have in the past had a no mentality. Like, no matter what you would ask me, I the way I describe it, as I started know, and work backwards from now. So can we should we know? We shouldn't? It's dangerous, it's expensive. It's blah, blah, blah. And then I work backwards from it till I find a path to it. That's okay. Whereas some people just go Yeah, let's do it. And then they'll get into it and find out. Oh, I shouldn't have done this. I liked it. Yeah, yeah. Right. It's actually made me that's maybe where my son got the thing with the baseball where it was like, Oh, this won't work. So no, it's over.

Doug 43:02
Like, he's just thinking about that in my mind. Yeah, it does make a lot of sense. So

Scott Benner 43:06
I start everything at No. Should I make a podcast? No, I shouldn't. Why? Well, I don't know about the microphones. I don't know about this. I'm not good at that. But Katie Couric said, I'm good at talking to people, I could probably learn about a microphone, I'll sit down and see if I can figure out the microphones. I sat down and figured out can I afford them? I can, you know, like that. And that's sort of, but my first thought was no, I'm like, I should make a podcast. No, I shouldn't. Boom, done. Like, I'm not going to and then I move backwards. From there. The problem is when you're doing it in a personal situations, it's your kids going can we should we might it's my wife saying we need to get a and I'm like, no, no, no, no, no. And then financially, I grew up broke. So I'm always defending money. Right? Like, so if I had $5 I would defend it. Like it was, like it was all the money in the world. Because I grown up in a situation where nobody had $5. And so it is to me even now, in 2023 If I hear somebody say it's just $20 it almost short circuits my brain to trigger I'm like, I'm like, $20. That's a lot of money. Like, it's some people don't make $5 an hour. That's a half of somebody's day. Like, like, you know, like, that's how it feels to me.

Doug 44:20
Yeah, no, I hear Yeah,

Scott Benner 44:22
I don't know if that's negative. So my reason for bringing that up is are your thoughts actually negative? Or are they just probably pragmatic, they're not, they're negative. Okay. You're

Doug 44:31
okay. But like, also, you know, it's also like a physical thing, but I think the physical part actually bothers me more. It's like I get, it's just like a, like a full body tension and like, it almost feels like you're having a low a low blood sugar, you know, you're kind of just jittery and I hate that and a lot of times the exercise will beat that out of your, you know, maybe maybe an edible here and there to help out but, you know, it's, that's the annoying part and I see it now. Wearing a Dexcom I lit really just can watch it happen like driving. Now, it's not really a stressful environment, but I think your body's a little bit geared up. So you just see your blood sugar spike. Yeah, then you have to be, you know, negative, it can be excitement. And I know that's always been a thing. It's like sometimes people will say, like relabeled, the term anxiety to just, you know, excitement because it really is just your body being geared up. It's just when you don't want it to happen. It's very frustrating. And it has an effect on blood sugars, and you can see it so it's, I'm very into that stuff, too. It's just, it's interesting. I just wish that wasn't you kind of wish it didn't affect you. So directly,

Scott Benner 45:33
of course, yeah, yeah. Or something you could turn on and off when you need it not?

Doug 45:37
Yeah. Because sometimes you consciously know that you shouldn't be anxious, but your body is bound up anyway. That's, I would say when it's the most annoying, you're like, Come on, I'm not nervous. Like, why does my body have to be so? So tight and rigid right now?

Scott Benner 45:48
Yeah, no, that makes a lot of sense. Meditation was my last question. That that helps even over zoom.

Doug 45:55
It's not even so much than meditation. In my case, it's the fact that it's all people with type one. And we talk about whatever we're doing are experiencing like, before and after. Like, if I'm being honest, like, during the meditation, I'm thinking about a million other things like, I'm not really meditating, I'm just kind of wandering around. But after we finish, it's nice to just, I think the bottom line is just that I crave knowing other people with type one. And so again, that's why the podcast is great. That's what I get out of that meditation group, because everybody else has it. I know that other people experienced this, but like, when you're out and about, and you just see somebody with a Dexcom, you instantly want to talk to him. Or at least I do. And you have these like great conversations, because it's, it's like you're in the secret club, like nobody else knows what you're dealing with at all. And so when you find the people that can relate to it, it just feels so good. Because there's so much in common with other people. It's, it's really great from that perspective, honestly, you know, because I feel like I've always looked for like a community, and I don't, I don't want this community but like, now that I'm a part of it, I do feel like there's just unbelievable support and connection with other people who have it. So like, I've made some relationships that I never would have had otherwise. And they're, they're great. And I really, really value them. So from that perspective, it's amazing. Nice.

Scott Benner 47:10
I actually saw a woman with a libre on her arm the other day, and I felt comforted by it. Like I really did. Yeah, like, there you thought I thought like, Well, I started with, there's a person who understands, like, exactly know that. I'm not even gonna speak to them. Doesn't matter, but they I know, they understand. And then there's the other half of my brain that makes the podcast it's like, Oh, I hope they're okay. Like I want I wonder if she really does know what she's doing. Right? You know, that kind of thing. I obviously didn't bother one way or the other. But he's just imagine if I walked up to her and I was like, hey, looks like a card in their pocket or sometimes, I guess. Yeah, podcast you should listen to. That would be weird. But no, I was really. I was really just helped you, lady. Listen, how'd you like to have a one seeing the low sixes no trouble. I'm going to talk to you and you're here for a while. And this is going to just happen. I can't explain to you why that's true. It just is. Don't worry about it. Trust me. Trust me. Doug told me said it's fine. But seriously, like very like an app peace feeling just watching her help somebody get out of her car. And then she got back in and went and parked her car. I never saw her. Yeah, I was like, Oh, that's really cool. So yeah, I'm always

Doug 48:19
wondering like, Yeah, I wonder how they manage. I wonder. I see it a lot like the gym. And I'm always thinking about stuff. I wonder what their blood sugar's out. Like, I wonder what they did to prepare for this beforehand. Like, I wonder if they're looking at their watch every two seconds. Like I'm to make sure that they're in a good spot. Like it just there's a million questions that you want to ask. So

Scott Benner 48:37
here's a question for you. You spent those three years fighting through not having a diagnosis, you don't come out of that feeling like wow, look at what I did, like I could do anything. No, that's me listening to your story. What you heard was, I was frustrated, and someone should have helped me. And they didn't do the right test. And I was doing squats in the bathroom and eating salad. None of it worked out and I'm hearing you were out alone in the Arctic, and you live through it. Like, that's amazing.

Doug 49:12
That's the healthy way to look at it. So I can like appreciate that. I probably should look at it like that. And I'm not like a negative person. I think I'm just, I think when I when I kind of look at it, harshly what I say to myself also is that, hey, look, I just spent a ton of money and a ton of effort and time going back to school for this new career. And then it sort of fell apart, right when I started and so I've reverted back to my old life like, and I gave myself and uncurable condition. When you look at it from that context, it's like gosh, like question I've done that. But yeah, I mean, now I'm, honestly now I'm fine with it. I've adjusted it's just in that those first few months. It's sort of shocking to the system and I was telling one of my other friends who has type one the other day like, I've only had it for a couple years but like I I honestly can't remember life without it now, like, and so I fully adjusted, I've no problem with it now. Like, it just is my life. And I'm content. It's just that initial transition I think was negative at first, but now I feel fine. It's just, it's wild how much your perspective changes once this is your day to day because you're so consumed by it that like, I just I can't even remember like sitting. You know, it's funny, I'm thinking back on it like before I got that initial, like when I went for that urine test back when I was still a therapist. I remember, like, the day before I went there, like my dinner for some reason was like, a bacon egg and cheese bowl flavored like Gatorade, and like two chocolate chip muffins. So I'm like, of course, my blood sugar is gonna be out of control. But like, I can't even imagine eating that stuff. Without having a concern afterwards. It just, it seems like a different lifetime entirely.

Scott Benner 50:53
Right? It's also hard to hear you talk about it now and realize, like, I have a I have a modicum of guilt when I hear you say that, because I don't eat very much. I couldn't eat that much food if you paid me probably. But, but if I ate it, my blood sugar wouldn't go up that much.

Doug 51:08
I know it. I actually that will never not shocked me. It's funny because like, even around like my family now. Like, we'll eat like, a big dinner or something. I'll eat whatever, but will like, I'll make them test their blood sugar. And I'm like, I just can't. It blows my mind how well the human body normally works. Like the fact that a pancreas can actually process all of the stuff that we throw in it blows my mind. Yeah, well,

Scott Benner 51:32
for as long as I can. And then one day for a lot of people. I mean, if you look at the numbers, type two, like eventually, I mean, we are living long enough. And eating foods that are so processed, that it's really taken a toll on people. You know, it's so yeah, it's crazy. Even watch

Doug 51:50
like one of those like a YouTube like, Can I finish this meal challenge or whatever. And they're eating something that's like the size of the whole table. And I'm thinking like, how does their body processes? How does this work? I

Scott Benner 52:03
was at lunch with my family yesterday and I got a glass of water and everyone else drank two glasses, and I was stunned by that. I get so much liquid and amazing. Blue glasses. I swear that's partially why I don't understand beer drinking. Well, because it's the volume. Yeah, the sheer volume of it. I don't I don't like where does it go? I don't get it. I can't do it. So I'm a big baby. I definitely can't do it. I'm going through your notes here. Do you have actual depression?

Doug 52:35
Oh, yeah, I was diagnosed depression, like when I was 18 and never went away.

Scott Benner 52:40
Okay, and you're not taking SSRIs now though?

Doug 52:45
No, I'm dying. prescribed them but I don't I don't take them. I don't like them. They just make me feel lazy lackadaisical and make me worse, worse at the gym doesn't help my anxiety. So I just don't take them. I've tried like everyone else give me stomach issues. But yeah, ever since I was 18 I was prescribed you know, we went through Paxil, Lexapro. Basically, every every brand you could try. And they all had different side effects. They all didn't really alleviate the anxiety. And so, you know, I was seeing a therapist for a while too. And I didn't, I didn't get a ton out of it. But more or less. I mean, I'm pretty happy. I don't want to project like a negative image. I just, I think I just think negatively, more so than I project like a negative demeanor.

Scott Benner 53:30
Are you depressed? Or did your parents tell you you were depressed?

Doug 53:33
That's what the psychologist told me. Yeah, I think I was I mean, this all started when I was, you know, like I didn't, I was very, very quiet. I was a good athlete growing up, but I was very, very quiet introverted. And like I said, I always had a fear of failure. I was always, you know, making myself sick by how much I worried about stuff. And, you know, I didn't really have a plan for the future at the time, you know, going into college. And so that's where it got sort of diagnosed, but I do definitely feel depressed, or depressive symptoms

Scott Benner 54:01
in your family, as or more depression or autoimmune.

Doug 54:06
Um, so my cousin has type one. Depression. I don't know, I think I think that's a harder one to know. Like, some people maybe say they're depressed, like, like we talked about. So I don't really have, like nobody that I'm aware of is like, consistently going to therapy or like honest surveys or other medications or things like that for depression. I'm sure people have depressive episodes and stuff, but I don't think too much clinical depression.

Scott Benner 54:34
Do you see anybody with your personality?

Doug 54:37
Yeah, I'm just like my mom. Your mom. Okay. Yeah, we're just, you know, she was a labor and delivery nurse. She's like a very empathetic, caring person. I think that a lot of that stems into it. You know, we're just worried about like, what other people are feeling or thinking. And she's, she's a thinker as well, but she's the best. It's just, she tends to get anxious and depressed sometimes.

Scott Benner 54:58
Alright, so you're managing dai for how long after they finally decide you have diabetes? How long are you how long you doing? Just multiple daily injections? What Basal insulin are you using?

Doug 55:08
I was I was doing an MDI for maybe three months. And then again, thanks to your podcast, actually, that sort of was what prompted me to move from MDI to like a pump as I reached out to integrate it. And I didn't get to work with Jenny, but I worked with Katherine. And she kind of just taught me like, at the time, you know, I was very sensitive because I was still honeymooning. And so I was just going low. And I was afraid to do anything. And that's where we started to talk about like, well, if you're not injecting the basil in particular, every day, so you have a little bit more flexibility to play with to give and take when you don't need it. And when you do, and so I would say it was probably three months that I was on, basil. And it was time to even think I got on to Stephen but like, my insurance didn't cover that. So it was like a trial. I was on whatever one was before that. And we were so we were playing around with like the dosages because I tended to process it pretty quick. So I was doing like two injections a day, like one in the morning, one in the evening. Because the you know, the peak wasn't consistent for me. And then I was doing Humalog at the time with the pen. And that was nice, because at the time, I really liked the you know, the half unit increments and stuff that was very helpful. When I was honeymooning, it didn't take much insulin. When I first started, it was like, the progression was like six units of basil a day and no mealtime insulin. And then it was like eight or 10 Basil. And then like they I ended up I was not happy with like it was just kind of like a base pay take two units for each meal. That was way too much at the time. So that's where I started to go to integrate it rather than my end up because I just I asked all the questions, but I wasn't getting good answers. And I was just annoyed. Because I knew there was I was listening to the podcast at the time. So I was like, Well, I'm not getting the detailed information that I would get from somebody who was more suited for this sort of thinking. And then eventually I migrated over to the the Omni pod. So I'm on the on the pod five now in the Dexcom. And, okay, pretty happy with it, honestly, it really does. Like, it's amazing to think all of like the little, I'm constantly checking. And I'm constantly correcting. And I'm just on top of it, because I like it to be in a good spot because like you've talked about a million times, like when it starts trending in the wrong direction, just harder. And it's just more of a headache. So you might as well just stay ahead of it. And comparing the ease of doing that with a pump and just plopping it into little, the little app versus going to take a shot. Every time I want to correct or something. It's just, I'm still just completely grateful for how much better it is. Yeah.

Scott Benner 57:36
I just want to ask you a quick question. Yeah. It's like a business thing. You've got an omni pod? Because you heard about it here. Yes, I did. But you didn't use my link. You just told your doctor, right.

Doug 57:47
I think it was before the five was on. I think I had just heard your did that like three part mini series with whoever it was from? I think it was actually the Barbara Davis Center.

Scott Benner 58:00
Right? Yes. With cat quarry.

Doug 58:03
Which is funny because I actually I'm in a study out there not with her. But I go to Colorado every month for a different type one study. Wow. But yeah, it was I did not use your link because it went through my we use optim R x, which is like that mail in pharmacy. So it just went through it from there. Yes.

Scott Benner 58:20
It's all done. I just you know, sometimes, and this isn't directed on the pod, but all the people who advertise sometimes they forget, I do the hard work. And then you go into the doctor's office and get yourself a new. Right. So So thing, and then later at the end of the year they go I don't know, I don't see the clock. So I'm like, Yeah, let's go to the doctor and get it. I need

Doug 58:41
like affiliate analytics to like, somehow prove that, like, that's how the information got shared, which it is, which is true.

Scott Benner 58:48
I know what I do. Don't worry. I just like other people to hear it sometimes. And I was like, That was a good person that was telling me what happened here because I think I know what happened. But

Doug 58:56
it was through that it was through that for sure. Because I don't I would never use personally, I would never use a pump with like a tubing because I'm just really, really active and I just don't want

Scott Benner 59:05
that. I want to be clear a lot of companies including Omni pod understand what I call like an umbrella effect. Actually, I think that's what they call it marketing. It's not. But it's there are some people who don't get it. Like, you know, when you're in a doctor's office and someone says I need a blank. You say, Oh, do you have the blank? Because you heard it here? Right? And somebody somebody's had a good experience with it or something? And then technically I have sold whatever. No, nobody knows. And then

Doug 59:38
I mean because if you think about it, like if you if you didn't have any access to podcasts or other information like you're going to the doctor, you don't really even barely know what type one is. I don't think there's any way you would know what brand of pump to ask for. You just be like, yeah

Scott Benner 59:55
I need a pump. Yeah, you can hear it and people's voices by the way. How Don't many people say, Oh, I got the pump. Like that's a magical entity. You know, it's the pump. It's not the pump, there's four of them.

Doug 1:00:08
It's funny, we're talking about this now, because I'm thinking about it. I remember my endo saying that I was the first person on on the pilot she had, which I was surprised that because it's not a small office, a big office. Yeah. It just, I really, I really was frustrated with my Endo, not because like, they were friendly, but they just didn't have like the knowledge. It was shocking. Like, I swear, I could go there tomorrow and do a much better job than them in terms of like, helping people understand what their options are, what they might want to do, where to go for, like more help, like, just, I think mindset that they mostly get with type two. And that was why but still, like you're an endo, you should know how to give people proper information when they're just starting out on their type one journey. I

Scott Benner 1:00:51
had a medical person told me one time, if you had access to a prescription pad, I'd let you be my endocrinologist. Yeah, totally. Like, that's lovely. Thank you. But sad state of affairs. Also, uh, you know, it's funny. Maybe it's not their fault. Meaning that the delivery system for their information, I have it, they don't have it. Like I have the delivery system that does all the things that you've described over the last hour. Yeah, they don't have access to that they also have a brain to become a doctor. I don't have that. Like, if you sent me to medical school, I would sit there and go, Oh, my God, I hate this. Get me out here. Yeah, you know, and I would fail miserably at it. And they don't have the, I don't know, I'm just gonna say the gift of gab. But it makes me sound like it's 1940. But it's, it's difficult to have information and be able to communicate it in a way that's interesting to listen to acceptable by the person hearing it. It's dumb luck. Like, yeah, it's not lost on me that the first 10 minutes of this episode, are me telling you a story telling all of you a story about a person you don't know. And the thing you haven't been involved in, that you probably don't care about. And yet, you were probably listening to it and going, Oh, that was really interesting. Yeah, I don't know why I'm good at that, Doug. Like, I didn't go to school to learn how to tell a story. I like

Doug 1:02:19
it's like, you know, communication skills. And that's something that doctors are taught. I mean, I work for a hospital system. I know, like, I was actually part of like, the, like, I was on the education team previously, and like, I know that these doctors are, are taught how to pull information from patients, or how to give them like the lay of the land. So like, I don't understand. I know that also, like they have restraints, you know, like, they have a medical system that they're within the confines of where they have a certain amount of time with each person. But like, I just think that it, there's no reason that they shouldn't be able to, like, empathize a little more, or say like, Okay, what you're coming into is a new world. And there's a lot that you're going to need to learn. And we're not going to cover it all right now. But like, let's give you some basics that are gonna keep you safe, and some parameters that are actually reasonable for your first few weeks or months and, and they'll tell a plan to like, speak with you down the road, as you get more familiar and comfortable. Like, the fact that none of that is done is a very large gap. Because like, it might sound like insulin is just so much stronger than a typical oral medication, or really anything else you're gonna give somebody. And so when you're given somebody that something that strong, I think that it warrants, like a diversion from the regular way that they administer information to patient,

Scott Benner 1:03:33
no 100%, I just think that the rate limiting factors humans, and that it's not that they're limited, it's that, you know, just because when you're 18, you decide like, I'm going to be a doctor, it doesn't mean you're a good communicator, or it doesn't mean that even when they teach you in school, how to communicate with people that you're going to come off not like a robot, or you know, that you're even going to understand the thing you're telling people about, I don't even know how to explain to you. Like when I really start talking about, like, if we got on here at the beginning of this episode. And you just say you cornered me and you you said, Scott, just tell me everything you know about diabetes, I don't want to talk I, I would start slow. Because as I tried to access what I understand about diabetes, intellectually, it's not easy. But if I can, as I'm talking, I go away in my head. I don't know another way to say that. And I have access to my knowledge. And I almost it's like a faucet. Right? I can turn it on and get it flowing in a way that I'm not sitting there consciously thinking go get this thought and hand it to Doug and now that you've spoken about basil move to this. Like I don't think I don't think that way. Like I just open up the diabetes faucet and I go even if you go back and listen to me tell the story about coal. I made a decision that I was going to tell that story And then I, I get semi unconscious and tell the story. Like, I don't know what other I don't know another way to put it like those details and that timeline there. All right. But if you ask me right now to sit down and write it out, I would struggle to write it out. So I don't, you know, anyway, that's not a thing you can do when a 15 minute doctor's appointment is what I'm trying to say. No, yeah. And also, it also doesn't make it in conscionable, that they let you out of there. Without the information you need.

Doug 1:05:29
Yeah, I mean, I think I heard you say this, they, they basically want you to not lie. Right? And so they give you like, very, I don't know, like, just safe, or, you know, not aggressive guidelines or information. And then it's kind of on you to figure it out from there. And that's fine. Just, I, I definitely think that, like you said, like, if you're in there, you could give better information to patients right off the bat. And I think I could do and I actually would love to do that some days to at least volunteer in space. I try to, I try to help out as much as I can. Because I just think that a lot of people don't know. And it's almost sometimes kind of to your point about like how to provide information. Sometimes it's easier when somebody has a particular question. Or like when you know, they're in a certain part of the journey, rather than just like blurting out all the information. It's like, Oh, right. What are you actually going to do when you go home? Like, how are you going to navigate tomorrow, and then we figure it out together? And like, that's where they gain all the information about exactly how to do that.

Scott Benner 1:06:26
It's also difficult to, you don't realize that when people come to you with questions, they often don't really know what they're asking you, right? And when they try to give you examples of what's going wrong in their life. They're sometimes the worst people to ask. So they start leading you down these paths of stories, you're like, This is meaningless. Like, I don't need this information, like is this what you're focused on? No wonder you can get your basil, right, like, this is what you're thinking about. Right? And they they just don't know. And I'll tell you the other thing, the one thing I think I have that is maybe sorely lacking in this time period, is I know what I know, I am comfortable that I know it. And I don't apologize for saying it. And so not that I'm saying some horrible things that are hurtful. But how do I mean this? People spend so much time apologizing for what they're saying just in case it's offending you. They never really fully with a full throat say what they mean. They're always holding back and giving you half of things because like, well, I don't want to be too, you know, and then meanwhile, all the notes I get are thank you for making an honest podcast. Thank you for speaking about this, honestly, like that kind of stuff instead of just going well, I don't know. Like, you may feel this way. But some people don't. And, you know, it's okay. If you don't invite like, No, it's not, it's not okay. Like, I listen between you and me and everyone listening. If a seven and a half a one C is the best you can do. I think that's terrific. But you can't sit there and pretend that you're done. And that this is okay. Right? It's not I don't care what the ADA says about a seven a one C. I don't normally say that out loud. That's too high. You know, like, if you have to be there for a year while you figure it out. There's no shame in that game at all. But don't get the seven and a half, like, oh, that's close enough to seven. I'm good. We

Doug 1:08:27
need people like with your attitude, because I struggle with that. Like it's hard not to be sort of too nice in a way and just be like, Alright, great job. You know, I think it's really good that you do push like that. So I think that's, that's really appreciated.

Scott Benner 1:08:42
But and then the other thing I that I've done is that I don't say it that directly. But I don't also hold back I say things like, Don't stare at a high blood sugar. If your blood sugar is 140 Correct it like like don't don't live all day at 140 and got so close to 90. You know what I mean? Like, that's the kind of stuff that gets your a one C lower that lowers your variability. Yeah, that puts puts your insulin in the right places during the day. So you're not getting super high or super low all the time, and you're still using enough insulin to get an agency that is going to be healthy for you. Totally. Yeah, but anyway, like a doctor is gonna say seven great, great job. And they by the way, everyone, no matter what your agency is, I mean, this, someone should be telling you, you're doing a great job because it's hard. You are you are doing a great job. But let's do that job with the amount of insulin you need for your seven to be a six and then once you figure out how to do that status, let's see if we can't make it a five eight or something like that. You know,

Doug 1:09:43
I mean, kind of just to back up your point like the kind of community that you cultivated it is refreshing and sort of like, I don't want to say better but like it's just like, it's got it's got more knowledge. I feel like it handles different situations like particular I'm thinking of like the Facebook groups like, the questions and answers I see there versus other type one forums. It's just, it's better information. You know, it's not like random complaining with no actual solution. It's like, Alright, here's the thing happening. And then a bunch of people say, Okay, here's how you can actually do so like, I think, to your point, you've created a community where people tend to do that, I think, more than elsewhere, and it actually leads to good solutions, which is ultimately what people need. So that's, that's great. Yeah,

Scott Benner 1:10:27
I mean, my I was talking about this with my son the other day, that idea, because he's just into the working world, right. And so we're talking about some of the things he's learning and seeing being around a lot of different people, personalities, that all have a task to perform. And he's like, There's this one guy. And he's amazing at pointing out what's wrong.

Doug 1:10:51
Seinfeld character, exactly,

Scott Benner 1:10:53
right. Like, like, the guy is just amazing at being like, this is the problem and calls like, great, what's the answer? And I was like, Yes, you are asking the question that very successful people ask all the time, or that some leaders in major industries will tell you don't come to me with a problem come to me with a solution. Right, you know, come to me and say, Hey, I noticed that this is wrong. And here's what I think we can do to fix it. But when your personality leads you to Oh, my God, oh, my god, it's so wrong. So I'm having this conversation with my son, my brother's with us. And he goes, we fired a guy for that. And I was like, what he goes, he did great work. And I was like, right, he goes, but it was exhausting to be around him. Like, he's, uh, he just ran around yelling, like, the sky is falling, the sky is falling. And he's like, and then eventually, he'd stopped the sky from falling. And we kept saying to him, we know it's falling. Can you just fix it more quietly? And eventually, he said, it was such a distraction. They moved him out of the thing. I think they moved into another part of the business. I

Doug 1:11:54
don't think they fired him. But I can understand that for sure.

Scott Benner 1:11:59
It's just, it's fascinating. And I think that I bring that up, because I think that people with diabetes, or any health issues, can find themselves in that situation. You know, this hurts. This happens when I do this. My blood sugar spikes every time I blah, blah, blah, okay? Some people's blood sugars don't spike, when that happens. It is not because they have a magically better kind of diabetes than you do. Right? They know how to use their insulin, they understand the impact of that food. Like that's what they're doing that you don't do. Don't just tell me, oh, gosh, that's just diabetes. I guess I die sooner than everybody else. Like, that's not the answer. And I still I got a note from somebody the other day was online, from a person who listens to this podcast, and they were extolling the podcast, and then spent a paragraph talking about how they're a brittle diabetic and I'm like, Oh, my God, like you listen to me. And you still think that?

Doug 1:12:54
Well, you know, it's funny you say that. I thought I would have said I was brittle in the beginning, too. Because that's like what my doctor said. But really what it wasn't there just honeymooning and I was very sensitive to insulin.

Scott Benner 1:13:07
Yeah, so that's funny. Yeah, what a terrible world word to tell somebody. You know, you're just brutal.

Doug 1:13:13
It just implies like, what am I falling apart? I don't want to represent it. Well,

Scott Benner 1:13:17
yeah. Man, in my mind, it's a picture of 150 year old rice paper, and I pick it up and it just disintegrates in my hand. So that's what I am. I'm rad, delicate, terrific. There was

Doug 1:13:29
a period. I mean, I definitely felt that I guess, me being like, newer diagnosed, I try not to like, judge anybody else. Because I'm like, I know, like the mental burden of it. And so like, I can only imagine, like a lifetime of it. And so like, sometimes I feel like some people just need to vent. And I'm like, alright, that's completely understandable. Because it's exhausting. Like, you just wish you could take a break. But yeah, certain things like when it's actually just not brittle, you maybe just don't understand how to do certain things. That's like, I think to your point, like a few minutes ago, like that's where it helps to sort of like, stop them from allowing to keep saying that and be like, well, let's just actually try to fix this. Because I don't, I don't want you to think that you're brittle. Because that can lead you to do the doing less than than feeling worse about yourself and then having a tougher time. So like, let's, let's actually figure out what's going on in this particular case and try to help it. Yeah.

Scott Benner 1:14:17
Yeah, that all makes sense. I know some of you've been told you're brutal. And I know some of you see your blood sugar's jumping all over the place. And that's what you think, Oh, look, I'm Berta like, yeah, a little bit this way, break a little bit that way, that number of breaks, etc. That's just you not using insulin. Well, I mean, somebody might be brutal. Do you understand that? But overwhelmingly, that is not the situation. Oh, it's

Doug 1:14:40
also like, sometimes it's Dexcom. Sometimes it's changing. Like, for example, I think it's easy to mistake making your brittle. I struggle with this. Let's say you're sitting around working for a couple hours and your blood sugar's at 150. You get up a lot of times, you're taking a couple of steps, your blood sugar's dropping to 121 10 In two seconds, you might think that you're brittle, if that's the case, but really, it's just you've had no circulation circulation, you know, insulin is just not going to do anything and you're sitting around. So there's some things that are just knowledge based, I think I could be mistaken for a brittle diagnosis. Or it could even be you know, maybe your Dexcom is acting up and lectins are jumping and you think that actually means your blood sugar is dropping. Like there's a whole variety of things that could lead to a label and maybe sometimes it's okay. I

Scott Benner 1:15:30
don't know if I love you because you sound like a friend of mine. But I was, I had teed up in my head before you said that. I said to myself, I'm going to explain to people like what if you're dehydrated, and you put a bunch of insulin in your blood sugar doesn't move and then you mindlessly chug a water eventually, and all of a sudden your blood sugar starts falling you say, Oh, my God, look, I'm brutal. I sat around all day, I gave myself all this insulin, nothing happened. And then for no reason, all cuz you're not going to see the water is like the, the connection there. You didn't know enough about it. But that would lead somebody to say, Oh, I'm so brittle. All this insulin didn't do anything. And then all of a sudden, later I the insulin was out of my body wasn't out of your body. It's sitting in there not circulating because you're dehydrated. And then you basically reanimated it with the water and like, whoo, here we go. Totally. Yeah, I don't know. I

Doug 1:16:18
mean, other examples like driving, even if you're driving around your neighborhood, like for me, there must just be a minor cortisol, cortisol spike when I'm driving, because I'm locked in and I'm paying attention. And so like, I'll take a bunch of insulin, it seems like it has no effect. Once I get wherever I'm going, my blood sugar is going to tank that doesn't mean I'm brittle. It just in that particular case, it means that like, my nervous system isn't all amped up anymore. So like now, I'm sort of functioning like I normally would be, say, might apply for like, a date, you know, you're all excited to get there and you're doing your thing at the end of the day, and blood sugars, maybe hide dinners, you go home and you relax, like your blood sugar tanks, like. So there's like sometimes environmental things that you're doing. And your body may be doing things that you just don't realize that are impacting your blood sugar, but it does not mean that there's anything wrong or even necessarily didn't eat them, or it's just like, sometimes this is the way things work. 100%

Scott Benner 1:17:07
That's exactly right. All right, Doug, you're amazing. Is there anything we have not talked about that we should have?

Doug 1:17:13
The only thing I was gonna say is I well, I feel like most of the people on your podcast are not single, especially the guys. Like I've heard most of the guys being like married or girlfriends, whatever. The one thing I say is that I do find dating hard as with this, because the you know, if you think about it, like a lot of times the setting for a date is like dinner. And so you're sitting there, you're getting foods that you may not normally eat, the hardest struggle that I've had with all of this is like staying mentally present with the other person went by blood sugar is going out of control, because I'm not really prepared. So I don't know where I'm going with that. I just feel for anybody else who's dealing with that, because there's been times that I've been on a date. And again, like I like to have a really strict under control blood sugar. And so you know, whether you like it or not, sometimes you're out at dinner and your blood sugar, just not acting the way that you want. Because you're you're a little bit stressed or excited, you're eating something you don't normally have. And you're sitting there with a 220 blood sugar, trying to not let that aggravate the hell out of you while being attentive and actually being present with the person that's across the table from you. And I feel like that can be very hard. Like I've had some some situations where I just had it impossible for me to be be present with the person. And I've probably missed out on opportunities because of that. And that's been really frustrating. And so there's ways around that, obviously, you can go for a walk, or you don't have to go to dinner, it's just, there are certain circumstances that I feel like, you have to navigate in a unique way until, I guess until you establish something for somebody so they can understand it. Because the other piece of that is that in dating, I've not really met anybody who understood what type one was. They all think it's type two. And so like, the amount of granularity and stuff that I have, have to pay attention to is, is foreign to them. So that's been tough. And then yeah, it's always funny. Like, they call me like the beeping guy, you know, because I would get like alarms going off or like things beeping or whatever. So like, what is this, but there's just different elements that I think you have to address somebody with type one who is like, dating and not really with an established partner that I think are unique, and you know, anything that people can do to sort of support each other with that or stay on top of it. I think it just helps because it's a little tricky,

Scott Benner 1:19:26
right? Yeah, no, I think your point you're, you don't know the person yet. And they don't understand anything about your type one. And you're in an awkward situation. And any little weirdness might make a new person go I'm not up for this, like, you know what I mean, like and if you start staring out in the space, because you're thinking I am going to get low, I'm about to get low. I don't want to get low, like like, you know, we're whatever. Yeah, and then if you get like, if you think like oh, this is going well, like we might head back home like you get excited now you need a bunch of insulin right I think it's yeah. Or they're like,

Doug 1:20:01
you know, let's take a walk after you're like, Well, I've got five units mixed. Let me I don't know if that's a great idea for me right now, like little, little stupid things like that definitely tend to raise your head. But it's not a huge deal. It's just Yeah, but otherwise, I would just say, like I said, I've completely adjusted type one, I don't like it. But I do find it fascinating. And I like contributing to the space. So I want to help out as much as I possibly can, like I'm doing that study, I'm trying to like, I'm actually going to try to start like a business where I can help educate people, like I joined at CES to try to become an educator myself eventually. Because I feel like I've always liked teaching people, I have a lot of empathy. And I can understand more so than with any other condition, other people who have type one, like what they're going through. Yeah. But I also really, I really appreciate what you're doing with the type two community too, because one of the interesting things that I've seen, I'm sure you've seen this as well, but like, I tried to shut this off on myself as much as possible, but I do feel it. And it's like, there's sort of like a, it's not looking down. But like, when you hear people complaining about type two, there's like, there's a piece of you deep down, it's like you don't have anything to worry about, like stop whining, like your pancreas works. But I think we have to get over that. Because it it's an equally, like dangerous condition, if you don't treat it, you know, it leads to the same complications, it's not as dangerous in the short term, but long term, it has just as many complications. And so, you know, I guess that's for anybody with type one, like, it's, we have to try to do our best not to, like looked down upon any other condition, just because they don't require insulin to survive. You know, like, it's, I wish they had different names, I think is where I'm going with this, because I think both both groups tend to get a little bit defensive when, you know, they're lumped in with the other one. So it's just something that I think I'm grateful that you're doing that type two stuff, because getting those people out there and hearing their stories. And also for people with type one that may not realize that people with type two sometimes do use insulin, like I think that's like a good bridge to understanding the conditions as well and what they go through.

Scott Benner 1:22:02
It's funny how rigid people can be. Because I get about once a month, somebody on the Facebook group will say, I thought this group was for type one diabetes. And I was like, well, that's for everybody with diabetes. And they'll say, Well, it's called Juicebox. Podcast, type one diabetes. Now, Doug, I don't have time to explain to these people that I had to call my podcast, Juicebox Podcast, type one diabetes, so that search terms would work out when people search for a type one diabetes podcast. So I'm like, yeah, it's just a name. And it's meaningless. Like, it doesn't matter. Well, it's, it says, it's for type one, I'm like, Oh, my God, you must be tortured in your life. Like, it's for type one. And it turns out that people with type two diabetes, it's all the same, like, like, it's, you know, like, once you're using insulin, it doesn't matter if you're type two or type one, the rules are all just kind of apply the same, right? And, you know, and if you're pre diabetic, you could come in and learn a lot about, like eating food in a certain order that help lessen your spikes. Or maybe you can learn about a different medication that people are using that are helping or, you know, I mean, I'm, I'm gonna move more conversations towards semaglutide. You know? Yeah, like what I'm seeing a do for people, they're like, like, we're gonna keep bringing it in. I just interviewed a woman yesterday with type one is using ozempic At the same time, and it's significantly decreases her insulin needs. That's amazing. Yeah. So I'm like, rant, she lost weight on top of all that, like, hey, you know what I mean? And so like, I'm just like, I sit back. And I think, how do you not see the bigger picture? What do you care what they have if the information here is helping them right on? By the way, it's such a small fraction. I have, like you said it earlier, I didn't want to like agree with you, because I sound like a douchebag. But I have done a really good job of setting up a space that really helps people. Yeah, you know, and but every once in a while, you'll hear one of those voices, and you have to go explain it to them and say, Look, you know, it's cool, like, just chill out.

Doug 1:24:08
Yeah, I mean, I think I get it because at the end of the day, I think managing type one, databases is a lot harder, because you have more granular decisions, and you're taking insulin and so but at the end, but the bottom line is that we type one and type two need good blood sugar management, otherwise, there's complications. So, you know, that's, that's a pretty, like, important central meeting point.

Scott Benner 1:24:33
If you put me in the position of defending a type two in this conversation, I could easily tell you a ton of things that would make you go you're right, that is hard. Yes. It's just not hard. Like your thing is hard. It's

Doug 1:24:45
just Well, I mean, I guess having managed it for a bunch of years, like I kind of know what's involved. It's just I think it's maybe not as scary. It depends on insulin. Insulin, I think is the thing. It's like, I feel like a type one person can say like, well, I make one wrong decision. and I just could not answer well, today, whereas like type two, it's like longterm, mostly depending on what they're taking,

Scott Benner 1:25:07
I also find myself in between the thought, because I am a, I am a personal responsibility person, like in my thinking, like, I do think you have personal responsibility for your decisions, your actions, I also think that there are things that can happen inside your brain in your body that stop you from being able to make the decisions that you would make if you weren't being stopped. Like, you know, I mean, you talked about anxiety, anxiety is a great example. Like you, you have reactions to things because of your anxiety, that if I just let your conscious mind decide it wouldn't do those things. And when you see that, how hard your hunger was impacted, right? And so how is it not the same for a type two person who maybe just can't stop eating a certain thing that they wish they could stop eating as an example? Or how is it not the same thing? If someone's knee is hurt, and they need to go for a walk, but they can't, because when they go for a walk, their knee swells up? And it hurts, right? Like, there might be different reasons, but it doesn't matter. Yes. I think in the end, if everyone could just remember that the hardest thing you've ever done is the hardest thing you've ever done. And stop judging your heart thing against somebody else's hard thing. What you would see is that people all have issues, just because one of them is cancer. And another one is, I don't know, a sore back doesn't mean that the person with a sore backs not suffering.

Doug 1:26:36
Yeah. And I mean, I think one of the things that I would suggest for like anybody type one that's maybe a little bit resentful of type two is like, you're you're helping our community, right? Like all the information has really helped people with type one live a better life. And like that same information is going to help people with type two live a better life. And there's way more people with type two. So like, why wouldn't you want as many people to get help as possible? So like, I just think getting it in front of type two is opening a gigantic new door that could dramatically help so many people. So yeah, it's like, how could you not want people to get good information? Yeah,

Scott Benner 1:27:12
good information is good information. I don't care where it comes from. And that's that, like, to me, that's the answer. You know, in the beginning, I took stuff from people who were like, well, you don't have diabetes, I can't listen to you talk about it. I was like, Well, I know more about it than you do. So maybe you should eat like, what do you care that I don't have it? Like it's fast. It's fascinating. You know, you go buy a new car, and a guy shows you how to drive the car. And then he goes and gets in a different car and goes home. He doesn't have your car. You don't go but you don't drive a Toyota, you're in a Honda. What do you tell me about Toyota is for you go okay, that's fine. That guy's job isn't telling you about the car must be the might be good. Might be good. It's a good analogy. It's ridiculous. Like, oh, yeah, your doctor doesn't have diabetes. They're doing a terrible job of explaining it to you. Like, you know, I don't know, read a review of the podcast and say, I'd like to feel like that one day. Like, oh, yeah, Doug, please. We had a nice conversation. Let's not get me upset. Okay. So

Doug 1:28:08
you're doing a great job. So thanks for the stuff that you're doing. And I hope you keep it up, you know, permanently.

Scott Benner 1:28:14
I have no plans on stopping. So don't worry about that. Right. That's great. I'll tell you, I'll share something with you that only you and I will know for like at least six months. I wanted to make my next series with Jenny, like a next gen Pro Tip series. Because I think that Jenny and I are just better at talking about it than we were in the past. And so I'd thought about like, well, let's add to the Pro Tip series. And then I'm like, Well, why don't we just make it more conversational and dig deeper into like, have more conversations about topics instead of anyway, that was my idea. But I might slide that idea back a little bit on my calendar, to do a, like a grand rounds series for doctors. Oh,

Doug 1:28:57
that's a really cool idea.

Scott Benner 1:28:58
Why don't Jenny and I explain to a doctor or a person in medical school, what's going to happen? And what appropriate responses are and what people really need to know versus what you're telling them.

Doug 1:29:14
And I was like, that's fantastic. That would be an unbelievable idea that

Scott Benner 1:29:16
is on the whiteboard. And now it is on the whiteboard. It has to happen.

Doug 1:29:19
Please do it. Yes, a lot of people would benefit from

Scott Benner 1:29:23
that. So I have to finish the myth, the MythBusters I really can't say myth. I have to finish the MythBusters then I'm gonna go to Grand Rounds, then I think I might slip into finding celiac in the middle there. Then I'm gonna go next gen pro tips. And then after that, I think I'm gonna do supplements and nutrition. So that should keep me going for about three more years. Dogs. Don't worry. I'm good.

Doug 1:29:44
That's all really good stuff, too. So can you can you speed those along?

Scott Benner 1:29:48
I'll just I'll stop living and I'll start recording 24 hours. All right. Thanks, doc. Oh, hold on one second. A huge thank you to one of today's sponsors G voc glucagon find out more about Chivo Capo pen at G Vogue glucagon.com forward slash juicebox. You spell that? G VOKEGLUC AG o n.com. Forward slash juice box. A huge thanks to the contour next gen blood glucose meter for sponsoring this episode of The Juicebox Podcast. Learn more and get started today at contour next one.com/juice box. If you're not already subscribed or following in your favorite audio app, please take the time now to do that. It really helps the show and get those automatic downloads set up so you never miss an episode. Thank you so much for listening. I'll be back very soon with another episode of The Juicebox Podcast. The episode you just heard was professionally edited by wrong way recording. Wrong way recording.com

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